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IN DEPTH
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VOLUME 28 NUMBER 3  

MAY 2008

 

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DISCLAIMER: The opinions or exertions expressed in "In Depth" are those of the authors’ and not necessarily those of the Editor, the National and State Committees of the SAA, Raytheon Australia or the Royal Australian Navy.


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PRESIDENT’S REPORT - FROM THE AMS
The National Executive have approved the appointment of Mr. Sid Czabotar to the Board of Trustees of the Submarine Association Australia Welfare Fund, following the resignation of Mr. Tim Everard.

The National Executive wishes to thank Tim for his long association with the Board of Trustees. The Board comprises of Tim Duchesne, Dave Bryant and Sid Czabotar.

Dave (Sandy) SANDQUEST
National President, Submarines Association Australia

SUBMARINES ASSOCIATION AUSTRALIA  2008 ANNUAL GENERAL MEETING

The National AGM will be hosted by the ACT Branch in Canberra on Sunday, 8th June as part of SUBCON 2008.

RENEWAL OF ANNUAL SUBSCRIPTIONS
The Association’s 2008/09 financial year commenced on 1 April 2008, on which date subscription for 114 members became due for renewal. An early payment and selection of either five years for $40 or 25 years for $175 options would be appreciated by the National Treasurer.

The Association now accepts Direct Debit, details are: Bank: ADCU. Account number is 705414, BSB 802 397. Please ensure your name is included and use SAA2008 as the reference, thank you.
The absence of reminder note will indicate that your dues for 2008/09 have already been received.

Those members who get “In Depth” electronically will be notified by our webmaster.

The absence of reminder note will indicate that your dues for 2008/09 have already been received. Those members who get “In Depth” electronically will be notified by our webmaster.

NATIONAL PENSIONS & WELFARE COORDINATOR BULLETIN
MAX HARDY 02 92648188
- Please check your records and note my correct email options mhardy@rslnsw.com.au or maxhardy@bigpond.com and change of address as from 01 March 2008 - 25 Christie St, South Penrith  NSW 2750.

 For general information and in particular for those Pension Officers amongst us - “What is VITA?”

The Veterans’ Indemnity and Training Association (VITA) was established for the purpose of providing professional indemnity insurance for suitably qualified trained and authorised members of ex service organisations (ESO’s), who give advice in good faith to the Ex-service community on matters relating to DVA pension and compensation entitlements and welfare support. VITA promotes the DVA sponsored Training and Information Program (TIP) as the program needed for pension and welfare practitioners to be covered for professional indemnity insurance. VITA also provides an accident insurance policy to cover those people who conduct training under the auspices of TIP, providing their parent member is a member of VITA, which thanks to Kevin the Association is. This indemnity insurance requires an authority in writing to provide advice and assistance as a Pension Officer for members of the association.

“What is worker’s Compensation” for ex submariners? I am often asked that same question. Since 1930 Workers Compensation has always been available for Commonwealth Employees which included the Australian Defence Force, the 1930 Act did not recognise any mental incapacity nor did it accept any back conditions, further more the injury had to be 100% related to the nature of employment. This was the only compensation Act available to Defence Force Personnel up to 1971. The 1971 Act recognised mental disorders, back conditions and a 1% material contribution related to work. The 1971 Workers Compensation Acts were superseded in 1988 by the Safety Rehabilitation and compensation Act (SRCA) which requires a 10% whole person impairment for compensation. When you are not eligible to claim compensation under the Veterans’ entitlement Act, you are eligible to claim compensation under the SRCA.

The military Rehabilitation and Compensation Act MRCA (Military Specific) was enacted from 01 July 2004 it replaced the VEA and SRCA for all Military Personnel. In conclusion if you’re not sure, ask your pension officer or pick up the phone. See you all at SUBCON 2008 Max Hardy

For assistance with ‘Health & Welfare’ matters contact an authorised Pension/ Welfare Officer

Western Australia
Tony Critchley 08 9795 5346 critch@hotmail.com.au
Roger Hardwicke 08 9305 1569 denrog@bigpond.net.au
Greg Shimmen 041 892 4559 greg_shimmen@bigpond.com
John Keating 08 9527 7963 keatingclan@optusnet.com.au
John Rana ranaoxley@exemail.com.au

ACT & Northern Regions
Tom Johnston JP 02 62382425 lozza@netspeed.com.au

Victoria
Fes Parker 040948379 daparker@tpg.com.au
Hastings
Greg Pennicuik 03 59774128 grndi@aapt.net.au
Cranbourne
John Sullivan 040197550 john.l.sullivan@exxonmobil.com

South Australia
Alan Johnstone 08 87382213 vicptmacpub@net.au
Ken Grierson 08 8364 0346 kgrierso@bigpond.net.au

Queensland
Brian Earle 07 4956728 brianearle@bigpond.com
Ian Sinclair 07 55477621 gtrxian@bigpond.com
Ian Prodger 07 46662448 ianprodger @ bigpond.com

New South Wales
Sydney
Jim Seager JP 02 9824 0833 or
(the AVADSC Office, ‘Centennial Plaza’, 1st Floor, 280 Elizabeth St. Surry Hills, the DVA building)
John Hodges JP 02 9908 5330 jhodges@rslnswcom.au
Max Hardy 02 4774 0542 maxhardy@ipentire.com
(John and Max can also be contacted at NSW RSL Headquarters 02 9624 8188)
Dave Williams 041 981 3741dwil795@bigpond.net.au
Central Coast
Brett Ollington 02 4388 1430 uboat2@bigpond.com.au
Nowra
Bob O’Grady 02 4423 0846 bomorslsub@shoal.net.au
Alex Paton 02 4443 4281 patonplace@southernphone.com.au
Holbrook
Jim Redwood 02 6036 2017 annejim@bigpond.com
Cootamundra
Ian Taber 02 69427241 rebatai@optusnet.com.au
Finley
Peter Vidler 03 58834251 reldiv@optusnet.com.au
North Coast
Alison McKean 02 65668378 go_slow@optusnet.com.au
Arthur McKean 02 65668378 go_slow@optusnet.com.au
Kevin Hayton 02 66534146 kghayton@optusnet.com.au

HEALTH MATTERS by Peter Smith
 The response to my section on Health Matters has been very good, judging by the correspondence and conversations with members. However, I have not stepped down off my soap-box when it comes to prostate cancer, as too many of our members have been affected in one way or another by this insidious cancer. For this issue I have been given a pamphlet which will assist in the future of those members who are inflicted by this cancer and survive with it in remission. I suggest that any member, especially in Queensland who can assist Professor Steginga after reading the following, please do so as you are helping yourself and others who will succumb to this type of cancer in the future.

Information is from “The Healthy Male” the newsletter of Andrology Australia - Australia Centre in Male Reproductive Health. (Ed.)

The title of this Research Round-up is “Sexual dysfunction after prostate cancer – a couples’ approach”.

In the western world, prostate cancer is the most common male cancer. In 2006, over 18,500 Australian men were diagnosed with prostate cancer and now large numbers of men are living with the consequences of treatment.

Sexual dysfunction after all treatments for prostate cancer is common. Even with nerve sparing surgical techniques, less than 20 per cent of men report being able to achieve erections firm enough for sex two years after surgery. For men treated with radical prostatectomy, erectile dysfunction is immediate with some improvements over a couple of years. Men treated with radiation therapy experience less erectile problems straight after treatment, but affected men find their problems get worse over time.

Coping with sexual dysfunction after prostate cancer treatment is not an individual problem, but a shared problem within couples. Many men report penile shortening, loss of sexual desire and less satisfying orgasms after prostate cancer treatment, all of which can negatively impact on relationships. Existing medical and support services for men experiencing the side-effects of surgery can also contribute to problems within the couple’s relationship as the needs of female partners are often ignored.

With support from Andrology Australia, The Cancer Council Queensland is developing a new support program called ‘Proscan for Couples’ that will target the specific challenges couples experience at diagnosis of localised prostate cancer and after radical prostatectomy. Support has been provided for the development of an audiovisual resource (DVD) that will be delivered with peer or nurse counselling. The project will pilot this educational intervention with men newly diagnosed with prostate cancer and will be tested more rigorously in randomised control trail in 2008 with funding received from the National Health and Medical Research Council.

A sexual dysfunction is a shared problem, it is anticipated that findings will emphasise the importance of attending to the affected couples relationship and both partners’ adjustment to prostate cancer. Following the trial the information will also become available for use in education programs and by health professionals.

For more information about the study, please contact A/Prof. Suzanne Steginga, The Cancer Council Queensland, email: SuzanneSteginga@cancerqld.org.au

Correspondence

Peter,
Tim Everard of Cammeray, NSW tackles a ticklish issue and is to be congratulated for doing so. Four years ago at age 76 they opened me up and I parted company with my prostate. That sparked an interest to become just a little more learned about these things, so I became a volunteer speaker for the cancer council and active on local prostate cancer support groups. I attend a lot of lectures on the subject and enjoy enlightened discussions with the small number of Melbourne urologists that we meet. My own urologist is a cracker! I write now only because so far I have yet to meet one such medical consultant, as Tim has, that denies the very direct correlation between sexual activity and prostate cancer. I am given to believe that the correlation is most certainly there. All those that I meet stress the overriding importance of regular sexual engagement, shared or otherwise, to maintain the male genitals in good trim and good working order whatever the circumstances may be. The importance of such stimulation of blood flow, nerves and glands increases, not decreases, as we accept the challenges of creeping advancing age, changed social status, and less opportunity for sexual encounters as we knew them to be in times past. All these medicos impress on us, submariners included, that to deny such stimulation is to invite atrophy of those most important male organs and heighten the risk of prostate cancer, and that is not a sensible option.
Angus Bartlett-Bragg,
Black Rock, VIC 3193


Dear Peter
This morning I showed a distinguished urological surgeon the letter from Tim Everard about the possible link between prostate cancer and the usage of sexual organs. He said that the jury is still out on the issue, but prostate cancer is certainly more prevalent in the western world and obesity is a proven link.

The message would seem to be “Watch your diet and take exercise outside the bedroom.”

I’m pleased to report a clean sheet on the bone scan, a reduction in PSA level and no need for the glove test.”

Who would have thought that “In Depth” would be devoting more space to prostate than periscopes?
Dick Mason,
Mosman, NSW 2088


OBITUARIES

It is with regret that I announce the death of Life Member Peter Horace Davies JP in Coffs Harbour in March 2008.

Peter joined the Royal Navy in the late 1940s and later volunteered for submarines in the early part of 1950. Having undertaken training at HMS Dolphin he joined his first submarine HMS Tiptoe in May 1951, on completing his ‘part three’ he was drafted off the boat in November and in December joined HMS/m Trespasser where he stayed until August 1952.

In September 1952, Peter joined his first ‘A’ boat, HMS Astute; he stayed with the boat until January 1953.

New shores beckoned for Peter, he found himself posted to the Fourth Submarine Division based at HMAS Penguin in Sydney where he joined HMS/m Telemachus in February 1953 until March when he left the boat prior to her trip to Singapore for a refit later in the year.

Peter joined HMS/m Thorough in Singapore, where the boat had completed her refit and returned in her back to Sydney in June 1954 where he transferred back to Telemachus, he stayed with the boat until November 1955 and rejoined Thorough.

Peter left Thorough in July 1956, he left the Royal Navy as an Able Seaman Radar Plotter, he decided to stay in Sydney and settle down.

In 1974, Peter joined the Association and during that period had served on several committees. At the AGM held in 1985 Peter was elected as President replacing the out going President Alfie Backers who had to retire due to failing eyesight. Peter held the position of President until 1992 when he stood down and made way for Captain Barry Nobes RAN (Rtd) to be elected.

During Peter’s tenure as President he saw many changes to the Association, the addition of State run Branches, under the guidance of Mal Bridge, Queensland became the first, changes to the Constitution and Rules to reflect those changes and the co-hosting of the 21st Anniversary of the current Submarine Squadron at HMAS Platypus in 1988.

At the 1993 AGM, Peter was made a Life Member for his services to the Association.


In Queensland on Wednesday, 2 April 2008, Life Member Robert Charles Wilson from the effects of oesophageal, stomach and liver cancer.

Know to his shipmates by the nickname “Tug”, Tug joined the RAN in 1962. He volunteered for submarines in 1966 and travelled to Great Britain to undergo submarine training at HMS Dolphin. He returned to Australia as part of the first Spare Crew at the newly commissioned HMAS Platypus.

Tug joined HMAS Oxley in 1967 after the boat had joined the Squadron. Over the next four years Tug served in HMAS Otway, Ovens and Onslow.

Having completed his nine year contract with the RAN, Tug chose to leave the Navy in 1971 as an Acting Petty Officer UWSM and settle down in Queensland.

Tug joined the Association in late April 1992 and served on many Queensland Branch committees including the positions of Secretary and Treasurer, although his health was already failing, Tug was involved with the organisation of SUBCON 06 in Brisbane.

With his poor health, Tug was buoyed by the tenacity of the children suffering cancer and organised the “Walk for Kids with Cancer from Coolangatta to Canberra 2008”, to raise awareness and much needed funds for cancer research in both the Children’s hospitals in Brisbane and Sydney.

Tug was nominated Life Membership for services to the Association, especially the Queensland Branch, to be ratified at the 2008 AGM, however as his health had furthered deteriorated the National Committee were approached to award the Life Membership early.

On 29 March 2008, Tug was made a Life Member, his badge presented to him by the Queensland Branch Patron Captain George Hunt DSO* DSC* RN (Rtd) at the Canossa Medical Complex.


At the South Australia Central Districts Care unit on 18 April 2008, Robert Ross who passed away from cancer of the pancreas and kidneys.

Robert better known to his peers as Bob joined his first submarine HMAS Ovens in 1970 after completing his initial submarine training at HMS Dolphin and returning to Australia. Bob spent two years in Ovens before transferring to HMAS Otway in 1972 and spent the next three years in her before leaving the boat in 1975.

In 1976, Bob returned to the UK to join as commissioning crew of HMAS Orion and returned to Australia via the Suez Canal.

In 1979 Bob left Orion and the Navy as a LSMTPSM. He joined the SAA in September 1989.
 

 ACT & SR BRANCH
Secretary Geoff BURNS JP 02 48494330 0427 435 314 gcburns@clearmail.com.au

ANZAC Day
The ACT Branch met behind the Naval Memorial in Anzac Parade for “Up Spirit” at about 0915 to get the joints working for the march. This year we were joined by some serving submariners from Navy Office which bought our numbers up to 26. After the march the majority adjourned to the Canberra Services Club (our new home) to enjoy a hearty meal and a well deserved wet or two. The day was very successful and well attended.

SUBCON 2008
The time for SUBCON is fast drawing near, and time for final payments has arrived, if members have not registered and paid their money they can still do so for the next few days. 

SUBCON 2008

To be held in Canberra on the Queen's Birthday long weekend, commencing

Friday 6th June 2008 

The Branch is looking forward to offering our hospitality.

Visit the SUBCON 2008 website for details.

NEW SOUTH WALES BRANCH
Secretary Ken WILLIAMS H 02-80042304 M 0400500604 email k
enbwilliams@hotmail.com

On ANZAC Day approximately 80 members paraded on the day, with some new faces and serving submariners. This year we were joined by Bob Marsland’s daughter Linda Fury who wanted to represent her father.

The day stated off with a big stuff-up as the marshalling area, position and time in the parade had been changed to allow the members who served in World War Two to be the first off. For those members who could not find us we were placed in Castlereagh Street, midway between King and Market Streets. Unfortunately it did rain on our parade, however we were able to break ranks and dive under cover until it passed before reforming and waiting for the order to step off.

On completion of the march we ambled down the street to the Stanton Hotel (some of our older members will remember it as the Bogna) for our reunion. It is hoped that this will be our traditional meeting place in future after the march.

The following is a timetable for upcoming NSW Branch events, please update your calendars.

  • Meeting 1130 25 May 2008 City of Sydney RSL 565 George Street SYDNEY

  • SUBCON 2007      June long weekend Friday 6 June – Monday 9 June 2008 Canberra, ACT. www.subcon2008.org 

  • NSW AGM 1130 13 July 2008 City of Sydney RSL, 565 George Street, SYDNEY

  • Meeting 1130 14 September 2008 A general meeting with a proposal to try and have it at the Platypus site with a BBQ and small memorial service.

  • Meeting 1130 2 November 2008 City of Sydney RSL, 565 George Street, SYDNEY

  • Christmas party TO BE DECIDED Sunday 1230 for 1300 30 November or Saturday 29 November 2008   1700 for 1730 at Where Ever

NORTH QUEENSLAND BRANCH
Secretary Garth SCHMIDT 07 47 880 884 Mobile 0417 747 246 email susanschmidt@optusnet.com.au

Submarines Association Australia North Queensland Branch invites you to a night of fun and frivolity on 21 June 2008 at the Stage Door Theatre Restaurant, 5 Hayles Avenue Arcadia, Magnetic Island for the cabaret performance of the “Frocky Horror Show” featuring songs from the little shop of horrors and rocky horror.

Price per head $75-00. Mainland package $99-00 per head (inc return ferry and island bus transfers. Both prices include a four course alternate gourmet Dinner and show.

Meet and Greet 630 pm Friday, 20 June 2008

Annual General Meeting 10.00am 21 June 2008 Magnetic Island RSL, 31 Hayles Avenue, Arcadia.

All members are invited as well as anyone travelling north who wants some company and a few laughs.

Anyone needing arrangements made or accommodation booked contact me as per details above.

     

QUEENSLAND BRANCH
Secretary Rob H. WOOLRYCH MBE H 07-54421991 email robjanw@launch.net.au

As usual the important item first NEXT MEETING: The next meeting is our AGM:
Where: Coorparoo RSL, 45 Holdsworth St Coorparoo. When: 1100 on 3rd August 2008 Venue Galaxy Room.
Nominations for positions on the Management Committee are to be in to the Secretary SAA Qld Inc in writing by 19 July 2008.

Social Weekend:  Our meeting away from Brisbane this year is to be held in Stanthorpe in the Granite Belt of Queensland and the centre of the wine industry of Queensland which, though young, is extremely successful. The date for the meeting is 11/12 October 2008.
The programme is roughly as follows

  • 11 Oct, 0930. Bus tour of the Wineries/Olive Farm/Berry Farm. Cost $70 per head. Lunch Ballandean Pub (included)1730 Tour ends. PM Dinner at RSL or as individually arranged

  • 12 Oct, AM Ladies to visit Craft Markets etc. 1000, SAA Qld Inc Meeting followed by Light refreshments at the RSL. PM Return home.

Come and join us for what promises to be a fun weekend of social activities.

ANZAC DAY

As usual a good run and a most enjoyable post march experience at the Coorparoo RSL with some new faces present.  The happiest moments of the day was to see the serving members sharing stories with the “old fellas” and genuinely enjoying each others company. To the serving personnel, we were honoured that you all saw fit to join us on the day and we hope you enjoyed our company as much as we enjoyed yours

IN CONCLUSION
REMEMBER the next meeting on the 3rd August 2008 is our AGM.

SOUTH AUSTRALIAN BRANCH
Secretary David BRYANT H 08-82630461 M 0412574790 email djbryant@senet.com.au

A good turn-out was the order of the day for the Submarine Contingent in Adelaide. A total of 65 members marched down North Terrace on an overcast but rain-free morning. The Contingent was led by our Treasurer, Ken Grierson, and the White Ensign was carried by one of our WW2 members, George Fairfax.

The Jolly Roger was carried by Airman Natasha Pataki, the daughter of member Joe Pataki. We welcomed Terry "Coyote" Wyatt marching with us after coming all the way from North Queensland.

The reunion afterwards at the Metropole Hotel was great success, and out thanks to member Mick Allison for providing a couple of bottles of Navy Rum for "up spirits".

TASMANIAN BRANCH
Secretary David BYRNE H. 03/6233588 Email: dbyrne@keypoint.com.au

Well, another ANZAC Day has come and gone. The 93rd Anniversary was marked in Tasmania with the traditional Dawn Services and late morning Commemorative Services in various centres around the state.

In keeping with the tradition of the past half a dozen years the Tasmanian Branch assembled in Hobart for the annual parade followed by the Commemorative Service at the Cenotaph on the Queen’s Domain. It was great to see Bronco McGinn home from sea and bringing TJ Carter along with him for the parade. Peter Reid put in his first appearance as a new state member and proudly held the banner aloft with Kerry Bolton for the long walk/march/amble to the Cenotaph. Grant Beswick managed to step in something left behind by one of the Light Horses whilst Ian Dunbabin deftly avoided the same. At various times the 12 members in the squad managed to be in step but this was largely a result of coincidence and the law of averages rather than any serious attempt at proper marching drill. A brass band up forward and a pipe band down aft didn’t help matters either. Nonetheless, we had a successful day and even managed a very brief appearance on the live ABC TV broadcast. As we gave an ‘eyes right’ to the new Governor at Town Hall, newest member, CMDR Tony Vine looked as proud as punch as he saluted our little squad from the back of the dais.

Also in keeping with our ANZAC Day tradition we reassembled at the Navy Club for a few quiet beers after the service. The Navy Club is an institution in Hobart that manages to attract Army and Air Force types in addition to firies, coppers and cadets of various forces. The Two Up and Crown & Anchor games held sway and beer coupons were heavily won and lost by the punters. The memorabilia that adorns the walls of that club has to be seen to be believed and now boasts a dedicated corner for submarines and submariners.

Our members will gather once again for a weekend away at the Grindelwald Resort in the Tamar Valley over the weekend of 17-18 May. Well over half the membership plus partners have booked their accommodation for what should be a great weekend. Following a few hours in the afternoon on the northern wine route there will be a dinner on the Saturday night and, weather permitting, we will spend a few hours on the Sunday morning cruising the Tamar River estuary in Richard Phillips’ yacht.

VICTORIAN BRANCH
Secretary Keith ‘Boot’ HATFIELD M 0408 051 085 email hatfield.1@optusnet.com.au

At the time of going to press I had not received a report from Branch; however I was able to glean the following information (Ed).

The next meeting will be a social one on 18 May 2008 at Frankston Naval Club, noon onwards. Mike Rikard-Bell and the team are returning to Turkey in the near future and he, hopefully, will be addressing our function to give us the very latest update

On 15 June 2008 a social meeting at the ESU, corner Walsh Street and Toorak road at 1200

WESTERN AUSTRALIA BRANCH
Secretary Paul MEAKIN H 08 95869375 M 0412314361 Email: pmea8855@%20bigpond.net.au 

ANZAC Day dawned bright and clear in Perth with more than 30, 000 people at the Dawn Service at the State War Memorial in King’s Park. Neil Forbes, along with other members of the WA Branch, was present at the Service and laid a wreath on our behalf. As part of the Returned Services Naval Contingent we formed up in Barrack Street for the Parade. About 20 members were in attendance with apologies from five members who were interstate/overseas and from two members reporting sick for the parade. Along with the regular attendees it was pleasing to see some newer faces including four uniformed Qualified Submariners who have promised to join the Association. We were also graced with the presence of Rip Mahoney, (Ovens plank owner) over on a visit from Queensland. Our banner was proudly carried by Leading Seaman Waklin and Able Seaman Gissing from the submarine School. AB Gissing is the son of Ray Gissing so it is pleasing to see the tradition being handled down from father to son.

ANZAC House was identified as a watering hole post parade as in recent years organised venues have not been supported. Very few of the attendees made it there. Although the numbers attending may seem small it should be noted that many members have attended their own local parades supporting the Naval Associations RSLs or other Ship’s Associations. Our challenge is to bring them back together to march with the SAA (WA Branch).

Apart from our Secretary receiving seven apologies, the committee had no indication of members’ intentions or wishes. In order to continue as a variable association members do need to communicate and contribute – not leave it to just a few. Having said that it may be time again to review where the WA Branch attends the ANZAC Day Parade, as although State Television coverage is available in Perth (except this year) most members are located in the Rockingham area and it may be more appropriate to march in the parade there. Food for thought for our members!

 

The following is our events calendar. Further details will be passed on as they become available or clearer.

  • Sunday 25 May  Albany, USN SubVets

  • 6 – 9 June  SUBCON, Canberra SAA AGM

  • Sunday, 20 July Sub School & SS Mess, GM and BBQ

  • Sunday, 14 Sep  TBA, General meeting

  • Sunday, 19 Oct  TBA, Navy Week

  • Sunday, 26 Oct  Periscope Park,RN SubVets

  • Sunday, 9 Nov   HMAS Ovens, Remembrance Day

  • Sat, 29 Nov       Pt Peron Navy Club, Christmas Party


I thought retirement would give me the time to do the websites proud, but so far I have not been able to make any progress on them. Maybe I should get a job, I found that I had to make the time when I was working.

Since May last year we have had 95,562 visits Up Periscope and it peaked last month at 10,589 visits. This means that we are meeting our objective, getting out there and communicating with the submarine community.

Summary by Month

Month

Daily Avg

Monthly Totals

Hits

Files

Pages

Visits

Sites

KBytes

Visits

Pages

Files

Hits

Apr 2008

17159

13287

1136

359

7925

5.16 GB

9704

30685

358764

463317

Mar 2008

15948

12329

1215

341

8303

5.20 GB

10589

37671

382218

494402

Feb 2008

14744

11320

931

274

6353

4.44 GB

7965

27024

328297

427596

Jan 2008

16353

11909

1311

271

5594

4.61 GB

8408

40664

369193

506947

Dec 2007

12969

9372

830

213

5091

3.47 GB

6609

25752

290534

402064

Nov 2007

16666

12719

1082

312

7515

5.29 GB

9387

32486

381581

499998

Oct 2007

14092

10509

872

267

5769

4.81 GB

8299

27048

325797

436874

Sep 2007

13110

9907

869

226

4586

3.39 GB

6807

26073

297237

393313

Aug 2007

9910

7348

824

205

3863

2.53 GB

6371

25548

227791

307225

Jul 2007

15933

11734

1505

344

4991

4.04 GB

10674

46674

363764

493950

Jun 2007

16981

12908

1865

220

3813

3.92 GB

6611

55957

387258

509440

May 2007

16301

11408

1375

147

1975

3.17 GB

4138

38517

319445

456452

Totals

50.03 GB

95562

414099

4031879

5391578

I average 63 emails on many matters each day, and we field many different requests each week, mainly searching for old mates or information. We have a pretty good success rate and have been responsible for re-uniting lost mates, not just in the submarine community, but skimmers too.

Again I would like to thank the sponsors of Up Periscope, Thales Underwater Systems and to the Thales team for their support, and to all those that continue to visit the site.

Remember, constructive criticism, suggestions for improvement and even complaints are always welcome. Remember, it is YOUR site and it is only as good as you make it. Thanks again for your support.

 

Norm Williams, Web Manager - Mobile 0419 863 558 norm.williams@submarinesaustralia.com


LIFE BENEATH THE WAVES compiled by Roger Fry
Roger Fry recounts the memories of some of the men who served in the Royal Navy’s ‘A’ Class submarines from the 1940s to the 1970s.

“I know of no greater engineering thrill than standing between those Vickers engines on a full power trial, both blowers in and screaming their heads off”. This is the sentiment of a retired of a retired engineer officer who served in ‘A’ Class submarines during the late forties/early fifties and it forms part of many letters received from former submariners in response to my request some years ago for information on the operational life in this class during its long service in the Royal Navy.

Amphion ran her first of class trials off Scotland on VE Day and consequently none of the class reached the Pacific War for which they were designed, although subsequent deployment to the Far East proved that the design was successful. The boat was 281ft 4 ¾ in long, had a 22ft 3in beam and a draught of 17ft. She was equipped with ten torpedo tubes and carried 10 re-loads for the four forward and two aft internal tubes. A 4in QF gun was mounted behind a trainable gun shield forward of the conning tower with a 20mm Oerlikon (twin in some) sited after the ANF radar mast. In addition, there were three bridge fittings for gas-operated Vickers .303 machine guns. Two 8-cylinder Admiralty or Vickers super charged diesel engines developing 4,300bhp drove the boat at 18 ½ knots on the surface and a pair of English Electric motors of 1,250shp could accelerate her to 8 ½ knots submerged. Endurance of 10,500 miles at 11 ½ knots made her ideally suitable for long, Pacific patrols and not only was construction speeded up by new welding techniques but the diving depth of 500 feet was a considerable improvement on anything before her, Considerable thought also went into habitability – all crew quarters were situated forward as far from the engines as possible and each member of the sixty-one crew had a bunk with the captain having his own, albeit minute, cabin above the control room, in the conning tower. Full air conditioning was fitted and even silences for the battery fans.

Of the forty-six vessels planned, twenty-eight were cancelled whilst building, two complete hulls were used for destruction tests or underwater targets, Affray was lost in the Channel, but the remaining fifteen spanned the period 1945 to 1975, taking over the roles of the diminishing ‘T’ Class and supplementing the later ‘Porpoise’ and ‘Oberon’ Classes.

From this point on most of the words are those of my correspondents, to whom I am indebted and I hope that their reminiscences will not only inform the reader but will enable him to experience a little of the life in the ‘A’ boats. I have deliberately not included the already well documented ‘cruises’ of Ambush, Alliance and Andrew, preferring to concentrate on the submariner’s view of this craft.

HMS Amphion – R.W. (Chief Stoker) and R.E. (Leading Radio Mechanic)
“Amphion was first of class and was immediately known as ‘Dewhurst’s Folly’; Diggy Dewhurst was Commander S/M at the time and had to have a metal plate in his skull, having come a purler off the bridge. She later became dubbed ‘Damnfione’ as originally she did not have the distinctive bow – this buoyancy tank was fitted after sea trials, with further modification to other tanks, after a passage from Rothesay to ’Derry when the port lookout’s left elbow was almost continually in the water. She was an unhandy boat, slow to dive and would roll on a wet dishcloth, but one big attraction was that in place of air-aided heads, there was a slop drain tank which meant that you could not ‘get your own back’. Unfortunately, the tank vented inboard, close to the boat’s ventilation intake and was always blown just before the evening meal so everyone got their share throughout the boat, although it could be useful for ridding the vessel of unwelcome guests! Amphion, Astute, Auriga, Affray and Aeneas went to Hong Kong and formed the 1st Submarine Squadron with HMS Adamant from August 1946 to March 1948 and whilst refitting in Honkers dockyard Auriga’s snort mast was fitted.”

HMS Alliance – W.H. (EngineerOofficer)
“After a courtesy visit to Denmark in 1948 with Ambush and Aurochs, Alliance was detailed as ‘eyes’ of the defending Blue Fleet in FOSM’s Summer War. Red Fleet, including a ’carrier, was to approach the Channel from way out in the Atlantic and we were supposed to sight, track from astern and send regular course/speed reports. Mother Nature, ably assisted by Father Neptune, had a different idea. A gale blew up on the second day out and as any ‘A’ boat man will know, we rolled our guts out. We remained on the surface, partly on the remote chance of a sighting but mainly because of the hazards of resurfacing in the very large waves when stability is at a minimum. The oggin came down the tower with monotonous regularity and the control room and wardroom decks were awash in six inches of dirty water – it was amazing what came out from under the bunks. After three days of purgatory, we had a dozen heavy weather causalities caused by falls against machinery or sharp objects with radar operator, who suffered from sea-sickness at the best of times, absolutely prostrate in his bunk. The young sub on watch on the bridge was forced aft by a larger than usual wave and his fore finger became jammed in the wind deflector bracket and when we finally got him clear his finger was crushed to the bone with the tendons hanging. That decided things and we broke radio silence to request, and were granted, permission to put into the Azores for medical help.

On our way back up the Channel, on a fine, peaceful night, chugging along on one engine with a standing charge on the other side, I was on the bridge chatting with the officer of the watch, everyone else below. We spotted a ship’s lights on the starboard quarter, a big ship, coming up fast and apparently heading straight for us. “Chief, get out the Aldis and shine it on the periscope standards, not in his eyes. Maybe he hasn’t seen us yet”. This I did but the ship held on and it was clear that if we didn’t do something pretty quick, she would run us down. “Telegraphs, Chief: Full Speed Ahead!” and after a momentary pause, the running engine surged ahead, the charge broken on the other side and in seconds both engines were working up to full power. The boat leaped ahead and the approaching ship crossed our track only half a cable astern – a very near miss. Fortunately the CERA was in the engine room doing his night rounds when the telegraphs rang and he took the instant action necessary. When we got back, the incident was reported to the Admiralty and we later learned that it was an Italian cruise liner which had just altered course towards Southampton – obviously her lookouts were not doing their duty and her employers got a sharp rocket.”

HMS Aurochs – R.E. (Leading Radio Mechanic)
“Aurochs, named after an extinct European bison, was known as the ‘Woolley Bull’. Her crest was naturally the head of this animal and the Latin motto was ‘Taurus Excreta Sapientum Fulcreat’ (the dung of the bull causes wisdom to flee), translated by the crew as ‘bullshit baffles brains’ – someone in the Admiralty had a puckish sense of humour! Like many boats, she had her own song and many publicans throughout the world have been rather boozily serenaded with ‘I’ll join the Legion, that’s what I’ll do’. She was fitted with a snort and in choppy weather, bad trim or poor afterplanesman the ball float valve at the top of the mast would dip below the water’s surface and constantly open and shut, causing the partial vacuum, always present when snorting, to increase/ decrease with everyone’s eardrums going in and out like chapel hut pegs – you got kicked to death by your mess mates when you came off watch. The chef had a hard time too; knocking up dough in a large wooden trough for fresh baked bread rolls, all rising well under the increased pressure when captain orders ‘Stop snorting’; the engines stop and the boat’s pressure immediately returns ambient – blue air in the galley and rock cakes, again, for breakfast! The wardroom steward was notorious; having left his previous boat under a bit of a cloud and before departing had nailed a ‘Spithead Pheasant’ (kipper) under the wardroom table. He received a telegram reading. ‘We know what it is, but where did you put it?’ Whilst going ashore one day, he was cobbered by the cox’n. ‘What’s in the bottle, steward?’ ‘Cough mixture, swain, like it says on the label’. Needless to say, despite the label, it was rum – everyone in boats got neaters. ‘You can’t always believe a label, steward – I’ll take it and think yourself lucky you have not got a fifty pound blow under your bonnet’.
A few weeks later, at sea and serving afters, our mess man opened a tin of peaches and proceeded to dish out tomatoes, into the custard! The steward’s face appeared round the curtain, grinning from ear to ear …. ‘You can’t always believe a label, ‘swain!’ He had methodically steamed off, swapped and reglued the labels down in the store”.

HMS Anchorite – R.W. (Chief Stoker)
“The snort mast in Anchorite lay horizontally on the port side and was always full of sea water when dived and not in use – if it was empty it would have collapsed under pressure. The mast was raised by rams operated in the control room and there were drains fitted so that sea water could be drained from the induction tube into the control room tank. The exhaust line ran from the engine room, under the casing to the snort mast in earlier versions but this was found to cause an exhaust trail which could be easily spotted, especially from the air. Modifications were made to attach the exhaust pipe to the ANF radar mast standard which discharged a few feet under water, thereby eliminating the trail. The snort exhaust valve could not be opened until the ERA on watch had admitted high pressure air to the line, forcing out the sea water and keeping the line clear until the donks started when the exhaust pressure in the pipe would keep the water out. When snorting, the exhaust valve required grinding every two minutes to prevent carbon forming around the valve. This tedious task fell to a junior stoker, closing the valve to two turns from shut as shown on the indicator and then turning the grinding wheel handle fitted within the valve handle wheel to rotate the valve in the seating. When ordered ‘Stop snorting’ was given, the stoker shut the valve to two turns open, high pressure air was again admitted to keep the water back, the donks stopped and the induction valve was shut – only then could the exhaust valve be shut and the mast lowered.

HMAS Alliance – W.H. (Engineer Officer)
“Time passed and Alliance found herself at Londonderry where we spent most of our time ‘Clockwork-mousing’ for the anti-submarine frigates there. A deadly dull performance usually, but not this time. Tooling along at slow speed, group down, at about 90 feet, all was quiet, all was still, with a Group Captain RAF who had come out for the day trip sleeping off his lunch time pink gins, feet forward, head aft on one of the wardroom bunks. Only the diving watch was awake and then it happened…. We shot to the surface like a whale coming up from a 900 feet sound. A Shackleton flying overhead later told us that our hull came out as far as the bridge before we flopped back onto the surface. They were so concerned that they started mustering all their Mae Wests thinking we should need them. The most concerned of all however was the Group Captain. Rudely awakened from his slumber, he found his feet way above his head, covered from head to foot in ink and paper, with a large dish of eggs balanced precariously on the edge of the cupboard above him. On investigation, it was found that the after plane operator just taking over the watch had slipped whilst getting into his chair forcing the operating lever to ‘hard arise’ and the ram aft had gone its full travel and jammed. Still, it was all sorted out and we later had a good laugh over it – if it had been ‘hard adive’, though….”

HMS Acheron - R.W. (Chief Stoker)
“The commanding officer of Acheron ordered the officer of the watch to clear the bridge and dive the boat. Obeying the command, the bridge was cleared, Klaxon pressed and the officer jumped down into the conning tower only to find that the upper hatch was still pinned back by the securing clips. The captain seeing this from the control room and with the boat diving, had no alternative but order the lower hatch shut, leaving the man in the tower. As soon as practical, the captain ordered ‘Surface’, tower was drained, hatch opened and out fell a half-drowned, bedraggled officer of the watch. The wrath of the captain lasted that whole patrol, not only because of the near catastrophe but as his cabin was within the tower, he lost all his personal possessions. Needless to say the culprit lost his bunk in the wardroom to the captain until the cabin had dried out.

It was difficult to keep clean in a submarine and alongside one day, the captain’s wife, entering the boat through the forward torpedo hatch, was suddenly anxious to climb back up, her husband resisted her effort from behind with his hands on her shoulders saying ‘It’s all right dear keep going’, not knowing that she had confronted a naked submariner taking a shower – each foot in a bucket of warm water, pouring a third over himself. Red faces all round!”

HMS Alaric – K.S. (Signalman)
“One submarine crew enquired of a daily paper how many pigs they would keep in an area equivalent of the froward sailor’s mess and the paper replied – four. There were, of course, twelve seamen actually sleeping in it, probably nearer twenty actually living in it. One advantage of the ‘A’s over the more modern boats was that in the evenings movies could be shown in the tube space leaving the mess decks clear for other activities: cards, talk, board games letter writing etc. The ‘P’ and ‘O’ tube space was just that, no room for anything but ‘fish’ and the sophisticated loading equipment”.

HMS Astute – F.M. (Petty Officer TGM)
“Reloading the tubes was always done in still water beneath the surface. The torpedo stowage bulkhead door was shut and just four or five men would set about their business. The tackle needed to haul the ‘fish’ into the tubes was stowed in the centre of the deck and the water in the tubes could be drained into a special tank once the outer doors were shut, allowing the internal doors to be opened and reloading commenced. The torpedo tubes were ‘dry fit’ i.e. they were only fractionally larger in the circumference than the 21in torpedo allowing the outer doors to be opened once the torpedoes were loaded and the internal doors shut with little or no ingress of water into the tube and therefore weight. There was always relief when the job had been completed, not only because of the possible hazards but because there was now more space. In fact, the sick bay could only come into operation once the lower starboard aft ‘fish’ had been loaded as only then was the folding bunk revealed.

HMS Affray – F.A. (rank unknown)
“On the 17th April 1951, Affray was lost with all hands in the English Channel and was eventually traced in Hurd Deep with a snapped-off snort. I was in Ambush at the time and all ‘A’ boats were ‘grounded’ until escape alterations were made, principally to the gun tower hatch. This and the difficulty to accepting that a break in the snort above the induction valve could account form the loss, leads me to believe that someone knew far more about the incident than has been told. The fore-planes were seen to be in the ‘hard-arise’ position which indicates attempts to surface and no external damage was noted. Both Alliance and Auriga have since suffered battery explosions and a similar incident in Affray could have ruptured the pressure hull – even a small rupture could account for sudden loss of the depth control and even if the tide of water was stemmed, the danger of chlorine poisoning would be almost impossible to eliminate.

HMS Artemis – (Author)
Artemis, on loan to the Canadian Government, was the cause of a ‘Subsmash’ alarm in 1963, after failing to respond to signals ordering her to surface. Canadian ships and aircraft began a huge search operation 700 miles east of New York but fortunately she surfaced safely 1 ½ hours later.

HMS Artful – (Author)
In 1955, the first ‘A’ Class was taken in hand for conversion and streamlining on the American Guppy Pattern. Artful appeared with the deletion of all four external tubes, a lowered and finer bow, wider but lighter aluminium casing and a 26 ½ feet high fin enclosing conning tower and periscope/radar masts, the boat being conned on the surface from atop. The gun hatch remained in all boats and for short periods, but only in a few boats, the 4in gun was refitted at deck level, usually for Far East deployments. Internal modifications were relatively minor as there was no increase in battery space nor underwater power as there had been in the earlier, lengthened ‘T’s. Improvements to habitability, the fitting of an automatic depth controller, refined sonar and torpedo firing arrangements were some of the modifications made. However, streamlining improved speed by one or two knots and, importantly, reduced underwater noise. The snort induction was still housed on the port side as it was not until after refits that some of the boats had their fins extended to include a central, telescopic snort mast. The only boat not modernised was Aurochs – she was found at survey to be in too poor a condition and had the distinction of being the last British wartime-designed submarine to remain in service more or less in her original guise, going to the breakers in 1967.

HMS Auriga – K. S. (Signalman)
“I served in three of the class during the middle ’sixties to ’seventies Ambush, Auriga and Alaric, as a signalman. We thought they were magic boats; speedy, roomy and fun to be on. They could knock along at a surface speed, in most cases, around 20 knots and the modern boats could not match on a fast run home, being overtaken and us taking the best berths. Top whack in Rorqual was only 13/14 knots. Another advantage was the control room layout for the helmsman – in ‘P’ and ‘O’s the tower hatch was in the forward part and in inclement weather he froze to death from the rush of air created by the engines and in rough weather, a good soaking. The ‘A’s had the tower hatch in the middle and when dived and the captain not using his cabin, the ladder was removed and when surfaced it was not in anyone’s way as you could pass the other side without a problem. We were intensely proud of our ‘A’s – serving in them, with our big 4in gun, gave us something over the modern boats despite their superior dived knots. At full speed, with both blowers in, the noise was intolerable and all orders had to be conveyed by gesture. In 1968 on Auriga, we sailed to come home from the Far East going west about via the Pacific - Acheron sailed to come East about via the Cape. On leaving Bermuda after a two week self maintenance period we were all a little concerned as she was badly in need of a refit and leaked a little. The captain then announced that the ‘safe to dive’ date had expired – there were some not so quiet cheers from the mess decks and we ended up having to shore down the heads of the diesels with four by fours against the pressure hull to get us home, as they were in such a bad way. At the time of a major refit, everything would be removed from the boat – battery cells, furniture etc and the diesels would be stripped and taken up piece by piece through the engine room hatch, the largest in the boat. Only the main motors would remain as these would be replaced perhaps only once or twice in the boat’s life and to be brought up through a hole cur into the top of the hull, re-welded shut after replacement.

HMS Ambush – R. S. (Signalman)
“On Ambush, stationed at Singapore, the 4in gun was used by us mainly as something to hang the screen for the evening film shows alongside! We did practice gun actions although on our boat, Auriga and Aeneas if not others, there were no proper gunners, the gun’s crew comprising torpedo men, sonar operators and, as usual, the officers steward whose action station was the wardroom beneath the gun tower hatch and the boat, with a good pressure inside to assist the first member our of the hatch, would be held down by the fore and aft planes at the dive position whilst blowing the tanks. Quickly the planes were reversed, ‘taking the brakes off’, allowing the boat to burst to the surface with the gun hatch open as early as possible, often when not quite out of the water and out went the crew. Ammunition came from the magazine below the wardroom and I think there was a ready used locker just out side”. (Pre-conversion, there were two ready used sealed cells by the upper gun hatch, holding one round each – these were removed on modernisation – Author) “No protection from the elements on top and no shield to give even token shelter from weather or splinters. The initial firing was set up from periscope depth then control handed over to the bridge. We also had two mountings atop the fin for Vickers machine guns and always had one rigged during ‘hands to bathe’ in case of shark attack – although what shark would want to eat diesel-tasting submariner, I don’t know”.

HMS Aeneas - E.F. (civilian correspondent)
“In 1972, Aeneas was taken in hand by Vickers Shipbuilding, Barrow to be fitted with SLAM – Submarine Launched Air Missile and successfully carried tests on the system based on the Army’s Blowpipe anti-aircraft missile. This was fitted on a telescopic pole which retracted into the now bulbous foretop of the fin and in fact she was re-numbered SSG72. The trails were not completed as it was belatedly remembered that a submarine’s best defence was to dive and evade rather than risk a standing fight and a punctured pressure hull.”
HMS Andrew - Author
Andrew had the distinction, in December 1974, of being the last British submarine to fire a 4in gun and signalled to FOSM “The reek of cordite has passed from the Royal Navy’s submarine service. Last gun action at 03 1330 Zulu. Time to first round – 36 seconds. May the art of submarine gunnery rest in peace but never forgotten”.

HMS Anchorite – S.T. (Navigation Officer)
“The streamlined ‘A’s had lovely splayed bows which pushed the water outwards but in really rough weather they were miserable. In Anchorite we used to snort on the surface by raising the mast as high as possible, shut the conning tower hatches leaving the officer of the watch and lookouts on top of the fin. These would change by using the conning tower as an airlock, shutting the upper hatch and draining the tower before opening up the lower one. The captain’s cabin was not used during these periods and he moved to the wardroom. However, they were first class sea boats and we did not often have to resort to this. At no time during my service in the ‘A’s was there any need for hammocks or camp beds – when we had guests we hot-bunked”.

HMS Artemis – E.F. (civilian correspondent)
“Twenty years after the Affray loss, the only other ‘A’ class to involuntarily sink was Artemis when on the 1st July 1971she sank between the jetty and Ocelot at HMS Dolphin, Gosport. The accident happened whilst the captain was off the boat, during ‘first filling’ of her diesel fuel tanks with salt water prior to refuelling. ‘A’ boats had tanks which allowed sea water to replace fuel consumed and thereby compensate for weight loss and neither the skeleton crew nor the Trot sentry noticed her slowly sinking by the stern until the aft casing was awash. Warnings were given below and twelve men scrambled to safety but the engine room hatch could not be shut due to heavy power cables rigged from the shore passing through the hatchway and the boat sank with three men trapped forward. Strenuous and successful efforts were made to rescue them that night and Artemis was later raised by salvage vessels. At the inquiry, the cause was attributed to the neglect of basic ship stability principles and she was sold to breakers in 1972 after lying in Fareham Creek”.

HMS Ambush – K.S. (Signalman)
“As we were the only class of submarine left with a gun hatch, landing parties of SBS and/or SAS were often carried, sometimes with their canoes stowed in the tube space and we used the same system as in wartime - canoes brought up through the forward torpedo hatch, rigged on the casing and we then dived and left them to get on with their naughty business. We sometimes placed a Marine Commando swimmer in the gun hatch, flooded it and when the pressure equalised, he opened the upper hatch and swam out. Once he had left, the upper hatch could be shut from the wardroom the water drained down into internal tanks and another swimmer entered the now empty tower through the lower hatch. This could be repeated as often as necessary. On one occasion, a swimmer got his finger in the way of the upper hatch as it was flung back and it was immediately separated from his hand. The Marine Sergeant’s comment on observing the wound on re-entry was only “No problem – it’s not his trigger finger!”

One crazy method of recovery, we thought, was also exercised. SBS/SAS would do an attack, either from the submarine landing in canoes or by parachute, then swim/paddle out to sea for the rendezvous, with the boat. Once in the rendezvous vicinity, they would stretch a line across the water with the group equally divided out each end and waited. The submarine would spot the two groups, raise the attack periscope and snag the line between them whilst still at periscope depth to tow them out to sea to a safe area when the submarine would surface and the canoes and swimmers be recovered in the usual way”. (I have seen Walrus leaving Portland with SAS embarked and rope lines rigged fore and aft to the fin top to practise this exercise and also Olympus fitted with a special internal chamber secured to her escape hatch to launch SBS swimmers. Other ‘O’s have been seen to launch swimmers from the conning tower whilst submerged in Portland Harbour -Author).

HMS Alcide – M.D. (civilian photographer)
“Albert Draper & Son Ltd, shipbreakers of Hull, will not forget Alcide in a hurry. The company rather had their fingers burned when they acquired her in 1974 for scrap from the Royal Navy. They assumed, not unnaturally, that they were buying a relatively complete vessel, minus one or two bits of secret or vital equipment and they were expecting a handsome return on their investment, this being their first warship. The size of the boat dictated that the initial stages of the demolition were carried out afloat in Albert Dock until she was sufficiently light to be towed to Victoria Dock, to be hauled out of the water up the slips. It was only then that her secret was revealed – no propellers! These two high valued manganese propellers were to have been the star attraction to Drapers and clearly had been removed by the Navy for use as spares for her sisters or indeed for scrap value. Needless to say, Drapers never had another warship to break

HMS Andrew – Author
Andrew was the last ‘A’ boat in Royal Navy service, decommissioning in December 1947. She lay at Devonport until 1977 whilst strenuous, though unsuccessful, efforts were made to purchase her for preservation. Fortunately, Alliance decommissioned and replacing Tabard as static display at HMS Dolphin in 1973, was towed to Vospers at Southampton in 1979 to have her keel strengthened and since 1981 has been displayed on a concrete cradle at HMS Dolphin as part of the Royal Navy Submarine Museum and in memory of those submariners who lost their lives in submarines.


“First the Nab, then the Warmer,
Haslar Creek ’round Blockhouse Corner”.
From ‘Ships Monthly’ March 1989 Volume 24 Number 3


The Life Of An OD by POM Greenie (VM) On Trump
When browsing the Australian Submarine Association Site I was surprised to see in the History link a picture of the Trump leaving Sydney Harbour for the last time in 1969 with our usual companion the Oxley in the distance. I was a member of the casing party that day and remember the bit of fun we had with the other boat throwing potatoes at one another once we were outside the Heads. Most of us were sad to leave the old place where we had been made to feel so at home. Ashore we were always made welcome at places like the Manly RSL and the North Sydney Anzac club. The Mosman RSL club was our laundry run where we often had lunch and a dinner time drink, while the lady in the laundrette next door took charge of the dhobeying. In Platypus the VMs of the Pommy boats had the particular advantage of the Tot at 1130hrs down the boat, and the lunch time swill in the Aussies’ bar at 1230 - 1300hrs, where the beer was sometimes bought by the rum fanny full, to save the bother of middies and schooners etc.

Conditions on board Trump were a bit basic, the open plan heads in the stoker’s mess behind the emergency after planes handle was a typical example. In an after planes emergency you sat on the heads and wound like fury, in an attempt to follow Evershed. One time in Eden I bought a guest down the boat to the after ends to find a fellow member asleep on the pan for all to see, I'm sure she'll always remember the vision, it didn't advance my cause either. It was probably the last boat with heads that blew straight to sea, and I, as many before me, experienced the horror of blowing the heads with the valve combination wrong, but learning from the mistake.

The diesels, 6 cylinder Vickers were quite resilient. On one snort transit from NZ to Sydney the tiffies ran the port donk with a slung piston. The whole boat whipped about, in the engine room you couldn't keep a book steady enough to read the same anywhere from the fore ends to the after ends. In the days before leaving to come home to UK, persons unknown tried to sabotage the engines by putting nuts through the injector holes. Fortunately the bump clearance was such that no sustainable damage was caused, though it meant a lot of extra work for the donk shop staff in removing the foreign objects and testing the engines.

Our electrical department had a hectic time doing equalisers, torqueing, topping up, taking all-round readings, replacing sick cells; the electrical machinery was generally in good condition. Access to the batteries was poor, three and four batteries being under the deck plates of the Wardroom and Tiffies Mess and one and two batteries having their own compartments under the seaman’s and senior rates messes. In these compartments you were provided with boards to lie on for tending the battery, giving you about 2 feet head room and no chance if there was an explosion.

Even in these early days of the existence of Platypus the local residents of Neutral Bay had a problem with the noise of submarine engines, so the modern shore charging facilities were well used. The operation of these was ahead of their time in the implementation of a safety permit system which was mutually signed before switching on. My own mishap occurred before we even got to this stage when our blokes were hauling the cables on board and I was trying to restrain the jetty cable drum. The obvious happened and when I came too in the water my first thoughts were to grab my hat, a rare and shared item of kit, and worry about the permit.

Life ashore sometimes had its down times - climbing down the fire escape ropes from Penguin accommodation block well pissed, assembling on the lawn in the middle of the night when some citizen had set off the fire alarm, saying the wrong thing to karate expert Lionel of the Mossman plonk shop and getting ejected, occasionally annoying my colleagues resulting in a sore face.

Now I'm in booze control mode imposed by a Dumbarton Deb, had a family who’ve flit the nest (not one to the Navy). I spend a little time on the net and have enjoyed your site.