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IN DEPTH
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VOLUME 28 NUMBER 4  

JULY 2008

 

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LAST ISSUE OF IN DEPTH

Dear Reader,

It is unfortunate that due to costs involved in printing and posting of this newsletter, this will be the last hard copy to be sent to you by snail mail. As of the September issue it will be available on line as this and back issues are already. At SUBCON 2008 it was made very obvious that every one accept one member at the meeting had access to a computer and the internet.

For those members who cannot access the internet at their local library or Internet Café, arrangements can be made with your Branch Secretary to get a copy. For those who have not been to our website as listed under the Print Post approval numbers in the Masthead go to Google and type it in, or search Australia by typing in ‘Submarines Association’.  For those whose skills with the internet are fairly basic, once on the site press the cursor on any of the name tags to gain entry to that named site.

As you would have noticed in past issues I have baulked at adding photos to the stories as they have not printed well. One of the up sides of having In Depth on the web is posting photos to illustrate the stories etc. 

Like others who wanted to stay in the last century, technology has caught up to us and I will need to learn a few tricks to make our newsletter a little more interesting.

I will not miss the placing of address stickers, folding and stuffing envelops, the sorting of trays of envelops in post code order or  the double counting to make sure that the paper work is up to Australia Post standards.

Also note there is a change to the email address to contact the National Secretary it is now nsecsaa@gmail.com Ed.


PRESIDENT’S REPORT - FROM THE AMS
This year has seen a “changing of the guard” in many of the Branches and I would like take this opportunity to thank all those who have been, or are about to be involved in the affairs of the Branch. Without your efforts, the Branches and therefore the SAA would not exist.

Special mention to Fred Butcher (who after eight years at the “helm” of the South Australian Branch has handed the “command” over to Dave Bryant)  to Fred Lawrence (who after a brief stint “inboard” has again taken over as President of the West Australian Branch) and last but by no means least Norm Williams (who after being Secretary of the WA  Branch for many years, as well as webmaster of both “Up Periscope and the SAA website has retired to the relative seclusion of Bauple).

David Sandquest
President
Submarines Association Australia

RENEWAL OF ANNUAL SUBSCRIPTIONS
The Association’s 2008/09 financial year commenced on 1 April 2008, on which date subscription for 114 members became due for renewal. An early payment and selection of either five years for $40 or 25 years for $175 options would be appreciated by the National Treasurer.

The Association now accepts Direct Debit, details are: Bank: ADCU. Account number is 705414, BSB 802 397. Please ensure your name is included and use SAA2008 as the reference, thank you.
The absence of reminder note will indicate that your dues for 2008/09 have already been received.

Those members who get “In Depth” electronically will be notified by our webmaster.

The absence of reminder note will indicate that your dues for 2008/09 have already been received. Those members who get “In Depth” electronically will be notified by our webmaster.


PRESIDENT’S ANNUAL REPORT 2007-2008

Walk for Kids with Cancer”

To the Wilson Family, the “Crusty Submariners” and their supporters who have, organized, donated, contributed and walked for “kids with cancer” your efforts to date have been outstanding.  At last count the donations (and pledges) had exceeded $50,000 with several days left to increase that amount.

Special thoughts to “Tug” whose passion and planning went into this project. “Tug” so much wanted to make the walk; he would be immensely proud of the way the “family” have taken on his project and the success they have achieved.

For those who attended “Tug’s” funeral and witnessed the passion and commitment shown by Carol and family would have had no doubts the “walk’s” success. 

My only concern is that, Carol, buoyed by this success will try and walk from Coolangatta to Perth for next year’s SUBCON (any volunteers!)

HMAS Platypus

August saw the 40th Anniversary of the Commissioning of HMAS Platypus and the arrival of HMAS/m Oxley. Vice Admiral Ian Mac Dougall AC AFSM RAN (Rtd) provided an interesting insight into the arrival of Oxley and had all in attendance in “stiches”. We had several other distinguished guests as well as one or two apologies. (A full report on the event is available).

It is hoped that this “celebration” will continue each year (at least until a decision is made as to the future of “Plats”).

ANZAC Day March - Sydney

For those who attended the March in Sydney, to say it was disappointing would have to be an understatement. A detailed analysis of the Sydney March has been completed by the Federation of Naval Ship Associations (FNSA) and a full report provided.  In a nutshell, it appears the WWII Army (ALL veterans in excess of 80 years old) took 1.35 hours to complete, yet ALL of WWII Navy and Air Force plus Post WWII Navy, Army and Air Force took 1.20 hours.  This review has apparently been passed onto the RSL for comment

Department of Veterans Affairs (DVA)

The Association has made itself know to the new Repatriation Commissioner, Brigadier Bill Roffe and through the offices of Max Hardy have re-raised the subject of the Oberon Submarine Review as well as several other issues. To Max Hardy and his merry band of “Advocates” keep up the great work in assisting your “mates”.

AE2

I had the opportunity to attend the pre release of the AE2 story and would recommend to those who haven’t seen it, obtain a copy from the ABC Shop and watch it; it is a very well presented documentary. I would also recommend that you consider providing a copy to your children’s/ grandchildren’s school for inclusion in their Library.

Fleet Base West

In the past twelve months I have managed to mix business with pleasure and visited the “West” to attend the HMAS Waller rededication and the “Squadron Ball”. On both occasions I was well looked after and would like to personally thank Ric Shalders and his Staff for the efforts.

While there, it was interesting to see the effort taken in rewarding those who had passed their “Part 3” and qualified as submariners. One US submariner had apparently qualified as a “Submariner” in three Navies.

 Finally, to JR, Peter Smith, Max, Norm and the National Committee, thank you for your support and advice throughout the year.

BZ to all. Dave (Sandy) Sandquest


SECRETARY’S SUBCON REPORT

This year we mustered in Canberra for SUBCON 2008 in what can only be described as a mild winter’s weekend.                 

The Friday evening meet and greet function was held at the Australian War Memorial. The evening started with a service and wreath laying in the Hall of Memory followed by an hour’s conducted tour of the various displays, before arriving at the hall comprising of the composite of the Japanese midget submarines that attacked Sydney Harbour where we congregated underneath for the cocktail party.

On Saturday, while those members and partners not connected to the National Committee meeting toured the various museums and galleries that make up the National Capital. Meanwhile the committee debated the various items on the agenda, one of which was the costs involved in printing and posting the newsletter “In Depth”. Our Treasurer informed the meeting that unfortunately our sponsor Raytheon Australia has decided that they do not wish to continue with their sponsorship. The Committee realise how important the newsletter is in informing the members of Branch activities that the decision would be taken to the AGM for further debate. One item that was raised by the Queensland Branch was voted against and that was the change to the Association crest and there were items also raised concerning the fine tuning of our Constitution and Rules.

The dinner/dance was held on Saturday evening in the ballroom at the Rydges Lakeside Hotel. Guest speaker was Commodore Rick Shalders CSC RAN. Many raffle prizes were donated by the providores of Pusser’s Rum; the proceeds of the raffle were donated to the Walk for Kids with Cancer.  

On Sunday, at the beginning of the AGM the President requested the suspension of standing orders to allow the membership to officially ratify the Life Membership awarded to Queensland member Robert “Tug” Wilson who had past away weeks before the meeting, Tug’s wife Carol was called to step forward and the presentation of the badge was made which was greeted with acclamation. On resumption of standing orders many items were raised and debated, including the registration of the Association, absentee voting, the current position on the future of the Platypus site,

A new position has been created, that of the Association Historian, who will report to the National Executive at the Committee Meetings, but will have no vote. Any member who wishes to take up this position is to report to the National Secretary prior to next year’s SUBCON for consideration by the Committee.

This year the National Executive were re-voted in, as there were no other nominations, your executives are President David Sandquest, Vice President  Max Hardy, Treasurer John Rana, there were two nominations for secretary and your incumbent Secretary Peter Smith was re-elected.

As already mentioned there has been a major change to the newsletter “In Depth”, it was voted after intense debate that this will be the last issue of the newsletter in hard copy, as of  the September issue the newsletter will only be obtainable on line and from Branch Secretaries.

The members were informed of where the future SUBCONs will be held. 2009 will be held in Fremantle, Western Australia. 2010 will be hosted by the NSW Branch in Coffs Harbour. 2011 will be held in Melbourne in conjunction with the Centenary of the Royal Australian Navy. 2012 will be hosted by the Tasmanian Branch. 2013 will be hosted by the North Queensland Branch in Townsville. 2014 will be hosted by the Western Australian Branch in conjunction with the Centenary of the Australian Submarine Squadron. 2015 will be hosted by the ACT Branch with the Centenary of the Gallipoli ANZAC and 2016 will be hosted by the Queensland Branch.        

After the meeting the members and their partners boarded buses for a buffet lunch at Gundaroo in the quaint “Royal Hotel”, here we were entertained by a band and enjoyed a roast meal. It was a happy and contented group as we returned to Canberra that evening.   

The SUBCON weekend ended on Monday with a buffet lunch and farewell drinks at the Canberra Services Club, Manuka.

On behalf of the National Executive and members I wish to thank the ACT President Andy Galley and his very able team for hosting a very enjoyable weekend. BZ to all involved.


NATIONAL PENSIONS & WELFARE COORDINATOR BULLETIN
MAX HARDY 02 92648188
- Please check your records and note my correct email options mhardy@rslnsw.com.au or maxhardy@bigpond.com and change of address as from 01 March 2008 - 25 Christie St, South Penrith  NSW 2750.

WHAT IS A SOP

The Decision Support Unit of the Department of Veteran Affairs issue Bulletins which Revoke and Replace Statement of principles (SOPs) as directed by the Repatriation Medical Authority. SOPs are the instruments that identify factors that must exist for an injury or disease to be linked to service. The SOP for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) has been revoked and replaced by SOP 5 and 6 of 2008 which has amended a Severe Stressor to a “Category 1A stressor” or a “Category 1B stressor”, it also includes “a significant other” I will deal with these amendments one at a time.  It is important to remember, anyone who has had a claim for PTSD rejected under the old SOP may find their claim can now be accepted under the new SOP.  If your rejected claim is less than 12 months old appeal against the decision, if your claim is over 12 months old lodge another claim. The following is a definition of the stressors;

“Category 1A stressor” means one or more of the following severe traumatic events:

(a) experiencing a life threatening event

(b) being subject to serious physical attack or assault including rape and sexual molestation; or

(c) being threatened with a weapon, being held captive, being kidnapped, or being tortured.                  

“Category 1B stressor” means one of the following severe traumatic events

(a) being an eye witness to person being killed or critically injured

(b) viewing corpses or critically injured casualties as an eyewitness

(c) being an eyewitness to atrocities inflicted on another person or persons                      

(d) killing or maiming a person

(e) being an eyewitness to or participating in, the clearance of critically injures casualties                    

“a significant other” means a person who has a close family bond or a close personal relationship and is important or influential in one’s life;

“an eyewitness” means a person who observes an incident first hand and can give direct evidence of it.   This excludes a person exposed only to media coverage of the incident.

To have liability accepted for injury or disease during service, the onus is on the individual to establish facts that satisfy all the elements of any one factor within a Statement of principle. The absence of medical records and or injury reports makes the link to service all that more difficult to satisfy. The standard of proof (as opposed to the burden of proof in legal terms) is beyond reasonable doubt. That is to say if what you claim is reasonable and the evidence satisfies a factor within the SOP, liability will be accepted.

Department of veteran Affairs employees are mostly civilian and do not have a military background, therefore the use of naval jargon or acronyms in personal or witness statements, or in the body of a claim form, does not help your claim.

The Tank is a vehicle that moves around on tracks with a gun, it had nothing to do with submarine escape, if you are a civilian.  If you get my point!  

Pension Officers will be aware claim forms for compensation under any of the available Acts require service details, part of which asks, Unit or Branch of Service. This is where you should identify you are a submariner. Unit Navy - Branch Submariner. As Kevin said many times civilians do not know HMAS Oxley was a submarine, it could have been an establishment for all they know. Likewise they do not know anything about conditions or life in a submarine.    They do not know what a strong back is, probably someone with broad shoulders, torpedo loading rails means nothing, a battery dip sounds like a swim, and snorting both sides is just rude. It is up to us to explain in simple terms the circumstances and conditions of service that links our claimed condition to our submarine Service. In conclusion, remember most of the conditions or diseases we wish to claim as service related are already established, it’s the causal link we need to identify.

Call me anytime

Max Hardy 02 92648188 Ex 338

For assistance with ‘Health & Welfare’ matters contact an authorised Pension/ Welfare Officer

Correspondence

ERRATUM: An unfortunate error was made by me while typing in Dick Mason’s letter into the last issue of “In Depth”. I apologise to Dick for any embarrassment it may have caused him and I should have known better that he would not have used a word in such a fashion; however, I will let Dick have the last word on this. (Ed).   

Dear Peter,

There is a delightful misprint in the latest “In Depth.” The middle paragraph of my letter to you should read:-

“The message would seem to be, watch your diet and exercise outside the bedroom.”

Please publish a correction and apologies for my poor handwriting.

Sincerely,

Dick Mason.


 In a letter detailing Mike Shreeve’s change of address, he ended with the statement; “Remember, submarines, are the only profession where you start at the top and work your way down.   

Editor’s comment: Good one Mike, but I think the pit miners may want to claim your statement as well!


Gentlemen of the Fourth

G’day lads I’m back!  It has been a while since I put pen to paper. A lot has happened since I last wrote with two dead – very sad.

Mike put his life and soul into the Association. I only hope that his works are not in vain. It’s now up to us to keep it rolling on. We of the Starboard Watch try to keep all the lads informed as best we can. But, the Starboard watch Committee Members can only do so much. We are always open to suggestions and criticism – they are constructive!

Now to my old boat mate Buck. A lot has been credited to his legend, some true – some ‘if only’. A lot of people could not stand him – their loss! A better mate you could not have. If he could, he would give his right arm (after he pinched it of a Subby!) The starboard Watch paid for Anchor Wreath of roses with a card from the Fourth. My old boat mate Soapy Soar (ex Killick Stoker, Tapir) did the honours in the UK. He sent me a whole stack of photos, plus the blue ribbon attached to the anchor. I have passed all these pictures and ribbon onto Buck’s TWIN sister here in Australia. My fellow Committee man Tom MacCammont found her address from the WRENs on ANZAC Day and took it along to her at Wyong I think. 

Tom’s wife has at last gone into Palliative Care, also at Wyong. It must be with mixed feelings for Tom – being married 52 years and looking after her for about 5 years – done everything for her. Tom continues to make her life happy as could be. Tom – you’re a Hero!            

To other things…

October 2008 Long Weekend – Penguin. A get together at the old base has been called for. It will be a sausage sizzle and one of my curried sausage camp oven concoction.   It has been decided not to supply drinks. The Memorial Job was supplied with beer from VB- AT NO COST I managed to pull off a ‘Pat Cullum’ on Carlton United and they gave me 45 cartons of VB and Resch’s bitter for nix.

We will be supplying the tot plus some red and white wine for the ladies. To keep the costs down members will have to supply their own beer. I must have numbers, so ring Tom MacCammont 024 3847643, Tony Maddock 029 4519629 or myself at home on 026 79935294. Don’t leave it to the last minute

K 13 will be held next January/February 2009 – date to be advised.

That’s all folks. Standby by for gun action! Man the tower, 90 feet, vent Q inboard!

Pat Cullum, Killick Stoker.


Chief of NavyThe following letter dated, 13 June 2008 was from the Chief of Navy, Vice Admiral R.E Shalders AO CSC RAN to the National President.

Dear Sir,

I am writing to advise you that Rear Admiral R.H. Crane AM CSM RAN is to be promoted to Vice Admiral on 3 July 2008 to assume command of the Royal Australian Navy. I will be retiring as the Chief of Navy on 3 July.

In close to 42 years in the Service, I have seen a multitude of changes and the Navy I have had the privilege to command for the last three years is very different to the one which I joined. My period as CN has been busy and stimulating, with our operational tempo continuing at an unprecedented rate in modern times. Throughout this period, as they have always done, the men and women of the Royal Australian Navy have continued to acquit themselves with pride and honour, displaying the outstanding values and characteristics that reflect our great heritage. The next generation of Australian Sailors stand to inherit a strong Navy, and it is with great pride that I pass the helm to them and their successors.

Please accept my most sincere thanks and appreciation to you and everyone of the Submarines Association Australia for your support during my time as chief, and for your continuing contributions to the Royal Australian Navy in the future.

Yours sincerely,

Russ Shalders,            

ACT & SR BRANCH
Secretary Geoff BURNS JP 02 48494330 0427 435 314 gcburns@clearmail.com.au

SUBCON 08 was a great success and congratulations must go to the small band of intrepid workers that made it possible, BZ to all. Thank you to all members and their partners who attended and made the weekend such a great success, we hope you all enjoyed yourselves.

The SAA ACT Inc AGM will be held on Sunday, 17 August 2008 at the Canberra Services Club, Manuka commencing at 1100, this will be followed by a BBQ and social gathering. All nominations for office and Notices of Motion must be in the hands of the Secretary by Monday, 14 July 2008.

General Meetings will be held at the same venue in October and December; all financial members are welcome to attend.

SUBCON 2008 photo album available at http://www.subcon2008.org/Photo.html.  Select image below for larger size.

NEW SOUTH WALES BRANCH
Secretary Ken WILLIAMS H 02-80042304 M 0400500604 email kenbwilliams@hotmail.com

No Branch news was made available prior to going to print However, the AGM to be held earlier in July has been cancelled and now will be held on 27 July 2008, 1130 at City of Sydney RSL 565 George St. Contact Ken Williams for details.

The following is a timetable for upcoming NSW Branch events, please update your calendars.

  • NSW AGM 1130 27 July 2008 City of Sydney RSL, 565 George Street, SYDNEY

  • Meeting 1130 14 September 2008 A general meeting with a proposal to try and have it at the Platypus site with a BBQ and small memorial service.

  • Meeting 1130 2 November 2008 City of Sydney RSL, 565 George Street, SYDNEY

  • Christmas party TO BE DECIDED Sunday 1230 for 1300 30 November or Saturday 29 November 2008   1700 for 1730 at Where Ever

NORTH QUEENSLAND BRANCH
Secretary Garth SCHMIDT 07 47 880 884 Mobile 0417 747 246 email susanschmidt@optusnet.com.au

The North Queensland Branch held its AGM over the weekend of 20-22 June on Magnetic Island. The meeting was well attended and after president Mal Bridge declared all positions vacant, he was immediately voted back in for another year unopposed.

Both Garth Schmidt and Craig Cope were returned as Secretary and Treasurer respectively and Cole Klease was voted  in as Vice-president. The rest of the committee comprised of John Morris, Kev Marengo and Danny Carroll. Congratulations to all off ice bearers.

President Mal gave a very informative talk on proceeding at the last National AGM and advised that the North Queensland SUBCON is earmarked for 2013.

The next meeting of the NQSAA was voted to held in Emerald over the weekend of 7, 8 & 9th November 2008.  

 

After the meeting, all members attended the Stage Door Theatre Restaurant on Maggie Island and had a hilarious night watching a show called the Frocky Horror Show.

Other highlights from the North was a barbeque at the residence of Julie, daughter of Dave Luck, where many of us caught up with Dave and had a great time. We look forward to Dave’s next sojourn.         

QUEENSLAND BRANCH
Secretary Rob H. WOOLRYCH MBE H 07-54421991 email robjanw@launch.net.au

The first thing to remind you all the next meeting of SAA Qld Inc will be held as follows:

Where, Coorparoo RSL. Venue, Galaxy Room.  When, 1100 - 3rd August 2008. This Meeting will be our A.G.M. so I ask as many of you as possible to come and have your say. Also to all those of you who are non-supporters of SAA Qld Inc but whom we diligently include in our correspondence when it is sent out, I ask you to come to this gathering and support us and join the Association.

COME TO THE AGM ON 3/8/2008 PAY A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY TO AT LEAST BECOME A REAL FRIEND OF THE SAA

MEETING 11/12 OCT AT STANTHORPE

The schedule below is that from FLIPPO’s Tours for the Saturday of the visit. The Committee decided that the Wine Tour will probably be sufficient for the day so we abandoned the idea of a formal dinner in the evening.

Itinerary- Saturday Oct 11th

Pick-up from Motels 9.30am. Tour finishes circa 1700. Cost of above tour $70 p/p with lunch at the Pub included (Self serve BBQ).

The meeting is scheduled to be held in the Stanthorpe RSL Club on the 1000 Sunday  and after a quick social moment at Lunch you are then free to proceed home.

One reason for going to Stanthorpe was of course the Food & Wine but an equally important reason was to include the Northern Rivers people of NSW so all of you please come and join us and make it a fun SAA weekend.

LET ME KNOW ASAP if you are interested and I will get details of available Accommodation to you ASAP.

IN CONCLUSION

Next Meeting 3 August 2008 at the Coorparoo RSL timed to start at 1100

SOUTH AUSTRALIAN BRANCH
Secretary
Allen (Connie) Francis email Allen.Francis@asc.com.au

At the Branch AGM, David Bryant was elected as President, his position as Secretary was taken over by Allen (Connie) Francis . At the time of going to print I had not received a Branch report. I am sure that David and Connie will keep you up to date with Branch functions. Ed

 

TASMANIAN BRANCH
Secretary David BYRNE H. 03/6233588 Email:
dbyrne@exemail.com.au

Quite a number of members gathered for the weekend away at the Grindelwald Resort in the Tamar Valley over the weekend of 17-18 May. Well over half of the membership plus partners turned out for a great weekend. Following an excellent meal at the resorts restaurant a few of the more hardy members retired to the bar for a few cleansing after dinner ales.

Most of the members took up the offer to spend a few hours on the Sunday morning cruising the Tamer River estuary in Richard Phillips’ yacht. The 75’ ketch was an excellent platform from which to view the mouth of the river and the weather was sunny if a little cool. Our sincere thanks go to Richard and his father, Ray, for their hospitality and generosity.

It was fantastic to see our newest members Tony Vine (and Cathie), Peter Reid (and Rosmhuire) and Iain Burns join us at Grindelwald and we hope for many more great times together. We would also like to welcome Steve Taylor as a new member. Steve is currently on full time service as a Reservist at Navy Headquarters Tasmania.

This year marks the 10th anniversary of the founding of the Submarines Association’s newest branch on 9 August 1998 at Ross in Tasmania’s midlands. We will celebrate this auspicious occasion over the weekend of 16-17 August in Hobart. So, if you are reading this and have been a member of the Tasmanian Branch at any stage over the past ten years we would love to hear from you and, even better, see you again if you can make it along that weekend.

At this stage plans are still being finalised, but there will likely be a dinner on the Saturday night with the AGM on the Sunday forenoon followed by a lunch. Once plans are finalised they will be posted on the “Up Periscope” web site. If access to the Internet eludes you please feel free to contact the Secretary on the numbers above.

For those wired in to the web please note the change in the email address  

VICTORIAN BRANCH
Secretary Keith ‘Boot’ HATFIELD M 0408 051 085 email
kshatfield@bigpond.com

At the time of going to press I had not received a report from Branch; however I was able to glean the following information (Ed).

July 20 Business Meeting ESU Committee meet 100

August 17 VP Day –ESU

September 21 Social meeting at ESU Noon onwards BBQ

October 19  Navy Week. No promulgated meetings

November 16 Business meeting ESU. Committee meet at 1100

December 21 Christmas Dinner ESU from noon on.    

WESTERN AUSTRALIA BRANCH
Secretary Paul MEAKIN H 08 95869375 M 0412314361 Email: pmea8855@%20bigpond.net.au 

The Swan Yacht Club in East Fremantle will be the venue for the WA Branch AGM starting at 1000 in Sunday, 20 July. Lunch will be served on completion at the glorious riverside location. Nominations for office and Notices for Motion should be with the Secretary Paul Meakin by 11 July. All present Executive Office Bearers are nominating for office again.

   

Some twenty Sand gropers, including partners and dependants, attended the SUBCON in Canberra, who all enjoyed the hospitality of the ACT Branch as well as the bracing air temperatures. Planning is now about to start in real earnest for next year’s Reunion in Fremantle. The aim is to retain the hallmark events of our re-unions but to try to be innovative and to maintain downward pressure on the costs to attendees. One of the best bits of advice we can give however is to book your airfares nice and early to take advantage of the discounts that can be low as one-third the full airfare. Also remember that WA is a big state with lots of other attractions apart for Perth and Fremantle. Broom is a fine place to extend your stay in WA as is Margaret River for the gastronomes amongst us.

 

The Membership was advised by Sid Czabotar at the AGM that the Branch will be hosting SUBCON 09 over the weekend of 5-9 June with the following venues in Fremantle. The meet and Greet will be held at the Western Australia Maritime Museum on Friday evening. Both the National Committee and Annual General Meetings will be held in Navy Club. The dinner/dance will be held in the Esplanade Hotel. At present it is proposed that a boat tour of the Swan River will be organised after the AGM on Sunday. On Monday a bus tour of the Submarine School at HMAS Stirling with the tour ending at the Navy Club at Rockingham. 

 

An Executive Meeting was held at the ANZAC Club in Perth on 25 June 2008 with the following Agenda:     

1.     Debrief from the SAA AGM held in ACT. The process and conduct for the AGM needs to be supervised. Branches need to obtain copies of the National Committee Meeting as well as the AGM in order to prepare for the implementation of the new voting process.

2.    Debrief of Social Aspects of the AGM in ACT. The need to constrain costs in the future was a major focus of this topic. Next meeting of the WA 2009 SUBCON Committee was held at the Rockingham Naval Club on 7 July.

3.    Items for our AGM on 20 July Swan Yacht Club. Draught Agenda has been circulated to members. Closing date of Notice of Motions 11 July On Completion of the AGM it is intended to present the Commodore of the Yacht Club with a set of Large Dolphins in appreciation of the Club’s support to the SAA WA Branch.

4.    Official recognition of two members by Certificates of Appreciation to be awarded at the AGM.

5.     Our next Social Event. Lunch after the AGM, please book on 93393520

6.    Car Rego Plates. As only three members have so far expressed any interest it was decided to drop the item.

Any response from the Squadron from members. The Treasurer and President reported that as yet there had been no new members from the Squadron despite the promo in “The Trade”.                  

 

The following is our events calendar. Further details will be passed on as they become available or clearer.

Sunday, 14 Sep  TBA   General meeting

Sunday, 19 Oct  TBA   Navy Week

Sunday, 26 Oct  TBA   Periscope Park  RN SubVets

Sunday, 9 Nov 1030  HMAS Ovens   Remembrance Day

Sat, 29 Nov  TBA   Pt Peron Navy Club Christmas Party

 



Again I would like to thank the sponsors of Up Periscope, Thales Underwater Systems and to the Thales team for their support, and to all those that continue to visit the site.

Remember, constructive criticism, suggestions for improvement and even complaints are always welcome. Remember, it is YOUR site and it is only as good as you make it. Thanks again for your support.

Norm Williams, Web Manager - Mobile 0419 863 558 norm.williams@submarinesaustralia.com


TAKE COVER

Have you got the necessary protection for your assets?

 The following information was supplied by the Military Police Association of Australia to make former and serving military personnel aware of the significant value of their honours and awards. Not only do they have high sentimental value to the recipient and their families etc, they have in most instances great value to boot.

Therefore some serious consideration should be given to the fact that they are a substantial asset within the household when considering house and contents insurance.  The inclusion of medals as a SPECIAL ITEM is most often overlooked

Below is a brief list of the more common medals awarded to Australian Service Men and Women and their current value. Food for thought and you can quickly do the sums. 

Top end value relates to a medal in its original box untouched and unmounted.  Bottom end value relates to a medal in very poor condition with no ribbon or mounting.

The author of this information states that 90% of the medals that pass through his hands ARE at the top end of this scale. Some groups of the medals depending on the uniqueness can be valued higher again.

The following list is the “Name of the Medal”, Bottom End Value and Top End Value.

AASM 45-75 $243.00 - $365.00 INTERFET                                    $1220.00 - $1950.00
Vietnam Campaign $365.00 - $730.00 Afghanistan Campaign                 $1220.00 - $1700.00
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RUSSIA ACCEPTS RIMPAC 08 INVITATION

Russia has accepted an invitation to participate in this year’s Rim of the Pacific naval exercises ADML Robert Willard USN, commander of the US Pacific Fleeted, stated at the 7th annual Hawaii-US Military Partnership Conference on 3 January 2008. “Whether that will continue to hold, given the political dynamic association with Russian military and ours and our various administrations will remain to be seen,” Willard Said, “but they showed up at the mid-planning conference (in November 07) with an expectation to actually participate this year. That is great progress.”

RIMPAC is a biennial, multinational exercise held in Hawaiian waters. Russia was invited to observe the 2004 and 2006 RIMPAC exercises but did not send observers. “Russia is a member of the Western Pacific Naval Symposium, and Russian participation in RIMPAC would further US Maritime Strategy objectives of the developing collaborative partnerships and strengthening collective security,” Pacific Fleet spokesman Mark Matsunaga said.

“Working together with partners in the Pacific builds confidence and trust to allow the partners to focus on common threats, combat trans-national crime, strengthen maritime security and achieve mutual interests,” Matsunaga said

China has not been invited to participate or observe RIMPAC 08. The US National Defence Authorisation Act of 2000 precludes direct military-to-military contacts with China, except for search-and-rescue and humanitarian assistance operations.

A small Chinese contingent did observe RIMPAC in 1998, before that law was passed.  In 2006, a waiver to the restrictions allowed a Chinese team to observe a portion of the Valiant Shield exercise off Guam. However, there are no plans to invite China as a participant or observer for RIMPAC 2008.

From “The Navy”- The Magazine of the Navy League of Australia, Volume 70 No2, April-June 2008.

   Editor’s Comment:

Well, finally the Russians have been formally invited to participate in RIMPAC exercises!

In 1971, HMAS Onslow was one of five RAN platforms, which included the aircraft carrier HMAS Melbourne and destroyers Hobart, Torrens and Yarra to sail to Hawaii to participate in the very first RIMPAC.

At this time I was undertaking my ‘Part Three’ and I was learning the rudiments of the sonar sets in the sound lounge; my Sea Daddy at the time was Killick UC Jock Copeland.  During the ‘first watch’ Jock had me sit at one of the sets (now forgotten which one) and listen for unusual marine sounds/noises, he had plugged into the set and described what I was listening to and what I had to ignore, they being the usual fish sounds etc, my job was to listen up and down the frequency and report anything unusual to him. I had been doing this for a while during our watch, when all of a sudden a loud thrashing noise assaulted my ears, I called Jock over, and he plugged in and listened, then reported to the CO, LCDR Paddy Ryan RN that we had picked up a nuclear submarine contact in fairly close quarters.  On giving the coordinates our CO brought the boat to periscope depth and began to scan the surface for our noise source. In the distance the CO spotted a large fishing trawler and decided that this was the source of our noise.

Well, with that, we were disappointed that our discovery was relegated to a surface ship and thought nothing more of the noise source. That was until the following day when we surfaced and took onboard various UC ranks from a New Zealand destroyer who had come to look over a working submarine. Jock, who was on watch with me in tow, was delegated to give the Kiwis a tour through the boat, we had started our tour in the fore-ends and by the time we got to outside the galley one of the UCs stated, “Did you pick up that Russian submarine last night.” Jock surprised, said “Come with me” and took the group straight to the CO’s cabin and after knocking and receiving an answer, Jock told the UC to repeat what he had said to him to our CO. After listening to the UC, our CO stated, “Oh well, too bad now.” Jock replied, “No it is not, I recorded the noise source.” On the boat’s return to Pearl Harbour, Jock went ashore and had the USN analyse the tape, we were informed that it was definitely a Russian nuclear submarine. So it appears that the Russian Navy have probably attended every RIMPAC exercise unofficially since day one. Ed.         

SUBMARINE ACCIDENTS AND ESCAPES

The following is a lecture given circa 1955/6, I suspect it was written and given by Captain George Hunt. It was found in the Michael White research material kept in the Submarine Collection on Spectacle Island.

This lecture deals with the ‘S’, ‘T’, ‘A’ class, Excalibur and Explorer submarines that were in commission at the time. Some of the changes to assist submarine escape mentioned at the end of the lecture would be incorporated in the ‘P’ class being built at the time; of course, submariners who served in the next class, the Oberons, would recognise the escape systems then being planned.

If any member who was an escape coxswain would like to finish the history of escape from where this story ends to the present day to refect the changes of the passed 50 years, I will be happy to publish your work.   

Some sections of this lecture have been updated to reflect the difference of fifty odd years. Ed.

“The first British submarine accident occurred just over 104 years ago in March 1904 when A.1 was rammed while submerged by the SS Berwick Castle off the Nab and sank with the loss of all hands. Between this date and the beginning of the First World War a further five accidents occurred. Two of these accidents were caused by submarines being run down by a ship while submerged; two collided with ships while on the surface and were holed and sank, and two were what might be called submarine accidents in which some failure of the men or material let in the sea. All subsequent submarine accidents have also been attributable to one of these three causes. In all six of these pre-World War 1 accidents practically the whole crew were drowned instantly, the only survivors being those who floated off before the submarine sank.

“Salvage was practicable with such small vessels and indeed four out of six submarines were salved in periods varying 4 days to five weeks. After the loss of A.1, therefore, the official escape policy was to try and salvage the submarine and save the crew. In no case was anybody saved by salvage, and, indeed the chance of saving anyone was remote, as the submarines had no bulkheads and were generally flooded throughout as soon as the accident occurred. The most important contributions to submarine safety lay in the material and other lessons learnt which made accidents in the future less likely. For instance after A.1, a lower hatch was fitted at the bottom of the conning tower. In a subsequent similar collision in which A.9 was involved, the submarine was undoubtedly saved by this modification, this lesson has not been lost sight of and all present day submarines have a lower conning tower hatch and whenever any valve or service passes through the hull, its integrity is always ensued by a valve. A no less important contribution to submarine safety was the knowledge that the only hope of survival was not to have an accident. The submarine service thus built up its reputation for meticulous care in everything to do with the operation of the submarine and for the methodical checking and maintenance of all equipment. Such a tradition is likely to save far more lives than any number of interlocks and escape equipment.

“In 1912 or thereabouts, the first practical steps to save life after a submarine disaster was taken in the design of the ‘E’ Class. Her bulkheads were fitted for the first time to divide the submarine into several watertight compartments. After an accident only one compartment was expected to be flooded and it was hoped that some survivors would still be alive in the un-flooded compartments. There would be some point in attempting to salvage them to save them. Two years later, in 1914, the first ideas that it might be possible for survivors to make an escape from a  submarine as apposed to the submarine being salved to save them took the practical form in the issue of the Hall Rees apparatus. This was bulky self-contained breathing set, with a helmet the size of a diver’s suit. Only one was carried in each submarine and it was to be used to escape from the conning tower. This apparatus was landed after two years as being too cumbersome and complicated and dangerous to use. It is of interest however as it was the ancestor of the Davis Submarine Escape Apparatus.

“Bulkheads saved the first man in August, 1916, when E.4 and E.41 collided during exercises and both sunk. In E.41 most of the crew escaped up the conning tower before she sank but a Stoker Petty Officer Brown was trapped in the engine room. He had no escape gear and his main problem was to get the hatch open and hope to float to the surface. It is not perhaps generally appreciated that even at the shallow depth of 30 feet (9.14 metres) at which E.41 lay, the sea pressure exerts a force of some seven tons on a hatch holding it tight shut. There is never the remotest possibility of opening it by brute strength. The only way is to let the sea into the compartment and flood it up so that the pressure is the same on both sides of the hatch. It can then be opened quiet easily. Stoker Petty Officer Brown did this and succeeded in opening the hatch. Every time he did so however, a bubble of air went out, the pressure in the compartment propped and the hatch slammed down again, on one occasion on his hand.  He then had to flood up again to balance the pressure. After the third try the compartment was completely flooded but the hatch stayed open and then taking a deep breath, he floated to the surface. This was the first escape in the Royal Navy from a submerged submarine. It was only from 30 feet (9.14 metres) or so but nevertheless was a landmark.

“Five months later K.13, on trials in the Gareloch, dived with an engine induction valve open. 29 men in the after part of the submarine were drowned at once, but 48 in the forward compartments were saved by the bulkheads. Two men in the after compartments who attempted to emulate Stoker PO Brown were drowned.  Two officers attempted to reach the surface through the conning tower to summon help, one was drowned but the other succeeded in getting the hatch open and ascending in a bubble of air. In the sheltered waters of the Gareloch in a depth of only 38 feet (11.58 metres) divers were able to connect an air supply through an ammunition hoist to keep the survivors alive. The whole recourses of the Clyde were then applied to salvage and after two days, one end of K.13 was raised to the surface and 46 men were rescued. 

“Salvage as a method of submarine rescue therefore gained immensely in prestige, and after the war it remained the primary method of rescuing survivors from a submarine accidents. In none of these four accidents was salvage effective, in two cases because the water was far too deep for salvage even to be attempted and in others because the whole crew were drowned at once after a collision. In any case, all four submarines were sunk in water deep enough to collapse the bulkheads. In these four accidents from which there was not a single survivor, collision while submerged was responsible for three of them (H.42, L.24, M.1) and the fourth was a submarine accident (K.5).

“Although the salvage policy was singularly ineffective in saving anyone, it is true to say that it is unlikely that there would have been any survivors even if Davis Submarine Escape Apparatus had been fitted. However, after the M.1 disaster in 1925, much attention was given to methods of individual escape as an alternative to salvage. The US of A had already produced the Momsen Lung for this purpose and the Germans had had Daeger gear as early as World War 1. There was always the possibility of reviving the old Hall Rees gear.

“At the time efforts were redoubled to try and make salvage effective and, taking a lesson from K.13, it was directed to raising one end of the submarine and provide air connections to keep the crew alive while this was being done. All ideas of salvage in water deeper than 20 fathoms at which the bulkheads would go were given up.

“In 1929 trials were carried out with various types of breathing apparatus and the Davis Submarine Escape Apparatus  (DSEA) was adjudged to be far superior to the other competitors and so it was decided to adopt it and issue it to submarines. Trials to find the best way to open the submarine hatch in order to escape were also instituted. In 1930 the installation of the DSEA on the scale of one per man to all submarines was begun.

“In the interim period three more accidents occurred, H.47, Poseidon and M.2. Two collisions on the surface and one submarine accident. Two of these accidents had a very decided influence on escape policy.

Poseidon collided while on the surface with the Chinese steamer Yuta on 9 June 1931 and sank in about 20 fathoms. 27 men escaped by the conning tower before she sank, but twenty-six were trapped in the submarine. Eight of these in the fore ends were saved by the bulkheads, but 18 in the after ends were drowned. “Poseidon was however the first submarine accident in which men escaped using DSEA and it was concluded that it was perfectly efficient if used correctly. The need for better training was obvious and DSEA training tanks were ordered to be built at Malta and Hong Kong as well as that existing at Fort Blockhouse. To reduce the chance of ‘bends’ it was necessary to make provision to flood up more rapidly so that the men would be under pressure in the submarine for a shorter time before escaping. Special valves were therefore fitted to submarines. It was clear that the arrangements for opening the hatch were most unsatisfactory and it was decided to fit twill trunks and special escape hatches. The twill trunk has the effect of making it possible to equalize the pressure and open the hatch without a large bubble going out, letting it slam down again. Men can stand with their heads in air while awaiting to escape and can then dip under the twill trunk and escape through the hatch. As one man in the fore ends of Poseidon had no DSEAA set, the scale of issue was increased to one and 1/3 times the crew dispersed throughout the submarine.

M.2 sunk while carrying out submerged exercises in West Bay. The exact cause of the loss is unknown but she was equipped to carry a small sea-plane and it is believed to have flooded through the hanger door. M.2 was fitted with DSEA but no escapes were made. The submarine was not found for some days. Obviously it is essential to be able to find a lost submarine as quickly as possible and so indicator buoys, one at each end, were fitted to all submarines. These buoys could be released by the crew to mark the submarines position. Salvage operations were put in hand on M.2 mainly with the object of finding out what had gone wrong. After ten months of hard work the stern was raised above the surface. It slipped backed at once and salvage was then abandoned.

“It was therefore abundantly clear from the lessons of M.2 that salvage for the purpose of saving lives was hopeless and the Poseidon accident showed that individual escape by DSEA gave a better chance. In 1932/33 the whole business of submarine escape was most carefully reconsidered and salvage as a method of rescue was finally abandoned. The DSEA was now to be relied on entirely to save life after an accident and as I have already indicated, measures were taken to improve its chances of success as a result of the experience gained in Poseidon.

 “For new construction submarines it was decided to strengthen the bulkheads to make escape possible down to 200 feet (61 metres) or so and to fit two-man escape chambers at each end of the submarine which were considered to give a better chance of escape than the twill trunk. In the two-man escape chamber men could escape in pairs with a very short flooding time and would not be subjected to pressure and flooding until their turn came to escape.                 

“In the early thirties, salvage was finally abandoned as a method of escape and all submarines were fitted with DSEA on a scale one and 1/3 times the size of the crew. The twill trunk escape hatch was fitted at each end, as were indicator buoys. That has been, with many improvements, the escape equipment in use in our submarines right up to the present day (1956 Ed).

“On 3 January 1939, Thetis sank on trials after flooding through a torpedo tube in Liverpool Bay. Thetis had a two-man escape chamber at each end of the submarine and no twill trunks. The two forward compartments were flooded, but the whole of the crew and passengers numbering 103 escaped immediate drowning and retreated into the after compartments. It had been laid down that escape should not be started until it was known that ships were there to pick up survivors. Thetis was not found and therefore no ships arrived for 17 hours and during this time the survivors did their best to surface the submarine. Eventually they succeeded in bringing the stern above water. By this time with the very large number of men on board and the hard work they had been doing, the air was very foul. As an example one officer stated that by the time he had climbed up the steep incline to the stern of the submarine he was so exhausted that he had to rest for 10-15 minutes before he had the energy to put on a DSEA set. Two men then escaped without difficulty from the after escape chamber using DSEA. It must have appeared now to the survivors that unless they got a move on they would die first, so they made the fatal mistake of trying to get four men into the two-man chamber. After a quarter of an hour, three were dead and one nearly so. The discouraging effect of this accident can be imagined. However two more men escaped with DSEA but no-one else ever came out and the stern sank again shortly afterwards

“There is little doubt that the rest of the crew succumbed to CO2 poisoning and died. From this it was obvious that in the future, escapes must begin much sooner and on no account should matters be left so late. This drew attention to the great importance of finding the submarine quickly so that escapes could start. The Thetis disaster shook everyone’s confidence in the DSEA. Here was a submarine sunk in only 150 feet (45.7 meters) of water and fitted with the latest two man escape chambers but from which there were fewer survivors than in the Poseidon eight years before. Furthermore, the appearance of the stern above water made Admiralty wonder whether they had been right to abandon salvage. The Admiralty therefore appointed a high-power committee under Admiral Nasmith to review the whole question of submarine escape and whether we had been right to abandon any idea of salvage.

“The Nasmith Committee confirmed that salvage was rightly abandoned and that, had the crew really understood the physiology of escape they should all have been saved without difficulty; it was the delay that had been fatal.

“The Nasmith Committee therefore stressed the need for more training and recommended the construction of a 100 foot (30.4 meters) training tank. They also recommended that the two-man escape chamber be abandoned and that the twill trunk should be fitted in all future submarines. They admitted that the two-man escape gave a better chance of escape under certain conditions but considered that it was too complicated and took too long to get the whole crew out. The twill trunk method on the other hand was simple and the men were under leadership for much longer. The Nasmith Committee also set in train a very important series of physiological experiments; a sub-committee being appointed for this purpose. Their first discovery was that CO2 poisoning set in much sooner under pressure. A concentration of CO2 that was permissible at atmospheric pressure was likely to be lethal when the air was compressed ready to escape. This emphasized the need for still faster flooding and the Nasmith Committee advocated releasing and compressed air left in the submarine while flooding up, to speed up the process and freshen the air. The need to escape early was made more important than ever by these experiments as the atmosphere in a submarine after ten hours dived was found to be sufficiently foul to be lethal on flooding up in 150 feet (45.7 meters) Most of the recommendations of the Nasmith Committee were implemented although World War II had started and effort was concentrated on winning the war.

“During World War II, among the 77 submarines lost in all, were four that could be classified as accidents. In 1940, Unity was lost after colliding with a merchant vessel in fog while on the surface. Most of the crew escaped before she sank, but two were carried down with her and two were drowned before they could be rescued. In 1941, Umpire was also lost after a collision on the surface. Some escaped before the submarine sank but 21 were taken down inside the unflooded compartments. All 21 made successful escapes from the twill trunk or the conning tower with only 14 DSEA sets between them – of these, six were subsequently drowned before they were picked up. 

“Early in 1943, Vandal disappeared while on independent exercise in Inchmarnoch water with all hands. The cause of this loss is unknown and the wreck has never been found

“A few months later Untamed sank while exercising submerged off Campbelltown due to flooding through the patent log sluice which had been dismantled in error to effect repairs. The whole crew retreated to the engine room and shut the watertight door. Unfortunately the flood valve was defective and so they had to flood through the engines. Valves were; however, open to the after compartment as well which allowed up the rate of flooding still further and this, coupled with the depth of 153 feet (46.6 meters) killed the whole crew by CO2 poisoning before they could escape, confirming the physiological predictions of the Nasmith Committee.

“At the end of the war, the Admiralty appointed another committee under Rear Admiral Ruck Keen to enquire anew into the whole question of submarine escape and rescue. This committee interviewed a considerable number of men of various nationalities who had escaped from submarines during World War II. Their findings were of the greatest importance and were:-

(a)              That the main hazard is not the ascent from the sunken submarine, but the period inside the submarine before escaping, especially during flooding up. Three quarters of the casualties in an accident occurred during this time.

(b)              That as many men escaped during the war making “free ascents” without any apparatus at all as with any form of breathing apparatus.

“They, in turn recommended that twill trunks should be abolished and that a special one-man escape chamber be used instead and that “free ascent” should replace ascent by DSEA. I will merely remark that, provided you take a deep breath before leaving the submarine, it will last you all the way up to the surface. To ensure that you do go up to the surface a life-jacket is worn. Indeed, the volume of air in your lungs at 100 feet (30.4 metres) is three times or so what it is on the surface, all the way up it is therefore essential to breathe out hard to get rid of the surplus. Free ascent is far simpler than any kind of breathing apparatus and training has now started in earnest. 

“The One-man escape Chamber is also installed in the 100 foot (30.4 meters) tank. The theory is that it is possible to flood it up very quickly with purified air and so give the best chance of survival against bends or CO2 poisoning without introducing the danger of oxygen poisoning. To overcome the objection to the Thetis type of chamber it is operated from inside the submarine and the escaper has nothing to do except breath out when the hatch opens the escaper can be pushed out with a piston. The One Man Escape Chamber gives a better chance of escape than any other method of individual escape. It is hoped that it will be satisfactory down to 300 feet (91.4 meters) but the chance of survival at this depth is probably no better than even. The One-Man Escape chamber is now being fitted in HMS Solent in Portsmouth Dockyard for further trails at sea. All new construction submarines will have one at each end.

“In 1949 FOSM pointed out that, as no individual escapes even with the One-Man Escape Chamber would be effective over 300 feet (91.4 meters), there was a strong case to adopt the US Rescue Bell, and to strengthen new construction bulkheads up to the same strength as the pressure hull. Escapes would then be possible down to the full diving depth of the submarine.

“A US Rescue Bell was therefore obtained from the USN under the Mutual Defence Aid Pack and trials have demonstrated it to be suitable for use in British waters where tides and weather are formidable. The ocean salvage vessel Kingsalver has been altered to take the bell and the complicated gear that is necessary for mooring over a sunken submarine in deep waters and has been renamed Kingfisher. The final trials are to begin in the Clyde.

“Since the Ruck Keene Report there have been two more submarine disasters and a careful review of escape measures by FOSM and the Admiralty.

“The loss of Truculent on 12 January 1950, in a collision with SS Dvina, trapped some fifty to sixty men in the engine room. No doubt remembering the Thetis, the decision was made to escape at once and both the after ends and the engine room were flooded up and everyone escaped by the twill trunk method, half using DSEA and half with no sets. Only ten men were, however, rescued and the rest were swept out to sea by the strong ebb tide and drowned. Thus is demonstrated the great difficulty of issuing instructions which are simple and yet applicable to all occasions. The Truculent disaster confirmed that in shallow water (68 feet 20.7 meters) and with air fresh, the twill trunk escape, with or without Davis Submarine Escape Apparatus, is quite efficient. It also showed the need for 100% escape gear at each end as it is quite possible for the whole crew to retreat to one end or the other. It drew attention to the need to provide some measures to keep men alive in the water after they have escaped. Some of Truculent survivors probably drowned because they had no DSEA set to act as a lifebelt, but others undoubtedly died of exposure. Immersion suits to keep men alive in the water are now in service in all submarines.

“Very little is known about how Affray was lost, but indications are that the crew were overcome very quickly. No indicator buoys were released and it is clear that no attempt was made to escape. The loss of Affray did, however, draw attention again to the problem of finding a submarine after an accident. Although it would not have helped Affray, indicator buoys are now of an improved pattern and have flashing lights and an indicator buoy with a wireless set with which to summon assistance is now undergoing trial.

“The Ruck Keene committee recommended a mixture breathing set to replace the DSEA in existing submarines for use with twill trunks during the flooding-up period, as existing submarines have no room for the One Man Escape Chamber. This would protect the survivors against CO2 poisoning while flooding-up with much less chance of giving them oxygen poisoning than when breathing the pure oxygen in the DSEA or giving them the “bends” if an apparatus using fresh ordinary air were used. Such a set, the Submarine Escape Breathing Apparatus has been developed. It has, however, been found impossible to two 100% of these sets at each end of the submarine, and so a new system known as the Built In Breathing System has been designed instead. It consists of large bottles of mixture as (40% oxygen 60% nitrogen) built into the submarine and a tube and mouthpiece for each man at each end of the submarine. The men will breathe from this system while flooding up, the time of which has been still further cut down by extra flood valves, and then make a “free ascent” through hatches fitted with twill trunks.

 “The Built In Breathing System has passed tests in the 100 foot tank and is now fitted for sea trials in HMS Sleuth.

“To summarise, therefore, the policy for escape gear in New Construction submarines is to fit strong bulkheads to stand the full diving pressure of the submarine and to fit them to take the rescue bell at either end. They will also be fitted with air supply and exhaust connections at both ends to enable the air to be refreshed while the rescue bell is arriving and in case operations have to be suspended due to rough weather. This will give a chance to escape down to the full diving depth of the submarine. It will, however, only be used in peacetime.

“They will also be fitted with a One Man Escape Chamber at each end of the submarine which will enable escapes to be made down to 300 feet (91.4 meters) without outside assistance. As I said before, however, a considerable proportion of casualties are likely at this depth. Once the One-Man Escape Chamber has been accepted for service, only Immersion Suits will be carried and there will be no need for the Built In Breather System, the Submarine Escape Breathing Apparatus or the DSEA.

“They will also be fitted with radio indicator buoys, underwater telephones and underwater signal ejectors for firing smoke candles from each end of the submarine, and many other devices, all duplicated at each end of the submarine.

“In the existing submarines it has been decided that the fitting of the rescue bell is not justified as the bulkheads will not stand much more than 200 feet (60.9 meters) at which both individual escape is practicable and should be successful. Twill trunks, but with more rapid flood valves and the Built In Breathing System, will be used by “free Accent” in immersion suits. Once the built In Breathing System is accepted for service the DSEA will be landed. Underwater telephones, radio indicator buoys etc will be fitted.

“Well, Gentlemen, you will see that very substantial changes are about to take place in the Submarine Escape Policy and much new equipment and methods are about to come into service. The price in complexity and weight in the submarine is very large and the inroads into the military characteristics are serious. However the One-Man Escape Chamber and the Built In Breathing System will also be of use in war, unfortunately the rescue Bell, except during trials etc, will not. 

“Before closing the lecture I would like to add a note of warning. No submarine Accident, as I hope this lecture has shown, is like the last and it is extremely difficult to foresee every contingency. A submarine equipped with these new systems may well be flooded throughout when the accident occurs or be in deep water where no escape equipment will avail. The best escape policy for submarines in the future is still the same as fifty years ago – good drill, good maintenance and attention to sound practice.”                                  


THE LOSS OF HMS SIDON by Geoff MARSHALL

On 16 June 1955 the ‘S’ class submarine HMS Sidon, commanded by LCDR I.T. Verry RN, was due to depart for a live torpedo firing exercise. She was based at Portland using HMS Maidstone as her depot ship. All her hatches were shut except for the hatch of the conning tower.

The torpedoes due to be test-fired were Mk 12 (AKA Fancy). These torpedoes were converted Mk 8s equipped with an HTP (high test peroxide) motor. This was based on the German Stienbutt torpedo produced at the end of World War II. Several had been captured in 1945 and their performance had impressed the Royal Navy. Many Mk 8s remained in stock and it was obviously cheaper to convert these than to build new torpedoes designed from the ground up around an HTP motor. Unfortunately, although this decision made economic sense, technically it was to prove disastrous. HTP was highly volatile and the Mk 8s contained materials that reacted with it. At 0825 an explosion occurred while the Mk 12 was in Sidon’s No. 3 torpedo rube. The force of the blast blew off the bow cap of the torpedo tube and the tube’s rear door. Seawater flooded through the tube into the compartment.  With her watertight doors open the submarine flooded and sank in the harbour. The explosion killed 12 of the crew.

Sidon’s CO ordered the after and DSEA hatches opened and ordered the Engineer Officer and the First Lieutenant to go below to carry out a damage assessment. The First Lieutenant failed to hear the order and proceeded below later. Many of Sidon’s crew were dazed and confused after the explosion, but they were evacuated in an orderly manner. No crew member that was aft of the Wardroom when the explosion occurred was killed. Verry went below wearing breathing apparatus to carry out a damage assessment. He could make no progress going forward because the bulkhead doors were jammed. He therefore returned to the bridge. 

Maidstone sent over fire-fighting equipment and breathing apparatus. A rescue party from Maidstone also went across.

Commander Submarines realised that Sidon was sinking and shouted the order to abandon ship across to LCDR Verry. Verry then passed on the order down the conning-tower hatch. When everyone was believed to be clear an attempt was made to close the after hatch, but it proved impossible to do. It was therefore not possible to seal off the submarine. Water was now flooding into Sidon and she came to rest in 36 feet of water at the bottom of Portland harbour with a list of 25 degrees to starboard.

LCDR Verry was the last member of Sidon’s crew to abandon the submarine. Three officers and ten men were killed as result of the explosion and sinking.

Maidstone’s surgeon, LEUT C.E. Rhodes RNVR was among those killed. He had boarded Sidon after the initial explosion to render medical assistance and was killed when the submarine sank.

The lifting lighter Moordale was passing Sidon’s location at the time she sank and tried to pass a line around Sidon’s stern to prevent it from sinking, this attempt was unsuccessful.

The signal “SUBSUNK” was sent and a party of divers despatched to Portland by helicopter. It was found that Sidon had settled on a more even keel and an attempt was made to salvage her. Divers had worked through the night to attach high-pressure air hoses to her hull, owing to air leaks this attempt failed. The divers also tried to make the submarine ready for the attempt to lift her.

Two Admiralty salvage vessels, Kinbrace and Swin arrived from Dover along with the Portsmouth based Barfloss to take part in the salvage operation. The salvage team attached 4 camels (2 each side of the wreck). These camels were basically hollow steel tubes that were naturally buoyant. They were flooded with water to make them sink, attached to the sides of the wreck and pumped out. Their natural buoyancy would return, therefore rising to the surface and bringing the wreck of Sidon with it.

On 23 June 1955, Sidon was raised from the seabed of Portland Harbour in the early hours of the morning under the light of floodlights. She remained alongside of the depot ship for another day before being towed away; this had been accomplished by 27 June.                      

The bodies of those killed in the disaster were buried in the Naval Cemetery that overlooks Portland Harbour and Weymouth Bay.

The board of inquiry attached no blame for the disaster on LCDR Verry. The accident signalled the end of the Mk 12 programme and the end of research into HTP fuelled torpedoes.

On 2 July 1955 Sidon was officially paid off and de-stored pending a survey and a decision on her future.

On 14 June 1957 Sidon was deliberately sunk for use as an asdic target 15 miles off Weymouth, she lies there today at a depth of 35 metres below the surface.

 CASUALTIES: Discharged Dead from Sidon on 16 June 1955 following the torpedo explosion.

LCDR Jerold Keith Needham RN

LEUT Julian Miles Wemyss Rycrof RN

Surgeon LEUT Charles Eric Rhodes AM RNVR

PO Laverne Donald McLeod RCN

LS David George Davies

AB John Reginald Ford

AB Donald Peter Waite

Tel. Charles Duke Clayton

ME1 Ronald Henry Peale

Cook Philip John William Rice

Stwd. John Robert Sunderland

L Cook Colin Smith

LS Peter Richard Anthony Dorey

For those wondering what the AM is after LEUT Rhodes’ name, it stands for Albert Medal. Ed.

As with every disaster there are the quiet achievers and unsung heroes. The following article was taken for “The World” dated 19 June 1955.

“Some of the unsung heroes of operation ‘SUBSUNK’ were named today. They are the men who risked their lives getting survivors out of the stricken submarine Sidon – and then went quietly about their business.

“No one would have heard of their bravery – least of all would they have wished it to be known – but Captain David Gregory, commanding officer of Maidstone, felt they could not remain unnamed.

“Sitting in his cabin, his face lined by lack of sleep, he told me that these are their names: LCDR Colin Reynolds; LEUT J.C.L Puxley; CPOOA John Ward; and acting CPO Coxswain John Tonner.”

The above items from the Submarine Coxswain’s Association newsletter “COXN!” volume 2, issue 3.     


NEW MEMBERS - WELCOME ONBOARD

LCDR Beresford, P (Patrick) RAN - Seaford, Vic 3198

HMS Odin, HMAS Otway, Onslow, Ovens and Orion 1974 – 1982 still serving.

Bryan, D. B. (Dave)  - Kingston ACT 2604

LSMTPSM - HMS/m Otus and HMAS Otway 1967 -1974  

Fisher, C.E (Bill) - Greenacres, SA 5086

CMDR, RN (Rtd) - HMS/ms Trump, Artemis, Otus, HMAS Onslow, HMS Conqueror 1964 – 1986

Hudson- O’Farrell, T. (Tom) - Port Macquarie, NSW 24444

A/POUC3 - HMS/ms Tactician, Teredo and Sealion 1958 – 1963

Lenehan, C. (Lenny) - Cheshire CW12 3FZ UK

LSROSM - HMAS Onslow, Otway, Ovens and Oxley 1979 - 1986 

MacDonald, C .J. (Colin) - Ballina, NSW 2478

LCDR, RANER  Associate - HMAS Otama (Fincastle 1982), MO HMAS Platypus, Sea Rider all 6 Oberons                       

MacDonald, J. D. (Mac) - Yorkeys Knob, QLD 4878

CPORSSM  - HMS/ms Grampus, Odin, HMAS Ovens, Oxley, Onslow and Otama 1969-1987 

Rawson, L. (Les) - Rockingham, WA 6168

WORSSM - HMS/ms Aeneas, Otus, Repulse, Sovereign, Churchill HMAS Otway twice 1968 -1983

Sylvester, R. V. (Ray) - Umina Beach, NSW 2257

CPORSSM - HMS/m Opossum, HMAS Onslow, Ovens, Otway and Oxley 1968 - 1984


Editorial: I first took over as editor from Gordon Selby in December 1993 and my first newsletter in January was delayed by the fires that swept through the Northern Sydney area, with road blockages Gordon was unable to take delivery of the then newsletter which at that time did not have a name. I did not begin the post out of “In Depth” until the September ’94 issue when the Association changed to Australia Print Post and our newsletter was given a name.

This issue has been plagued with problems; the main one was the disconnection of my internet server Wix. Wix and several other companies were taken over by Blitz Telecom late last year and has since financially collapsed. Hence the lack of some Branch reports, I am still trying to find out what the company (Supernerd) who took over plan to do. The email address in the masthead has been set up to be used by the National Secretary, the good point is it can be accessed anywhere, in the meantime I am trying to sort out the confusion.

As this is the last newsletter I prepare for snail mail I wish to thank my partner Murray for his assistance over the last 14 years in folding and stuffing the newsletter into envelopes.

 “In Depth” has not gone it has just changed the way we do it.

To all readers of “In Depth” all the very best

Yours sincerely,


Peter R Smith
Peter Smith,
Hon Nat Secretary
1 July 2008
 



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