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LAST ISSUE OF IN DEPTH
Dear Reader,
It is unfortunate that due to costs
involved in printing and posting of this newsletter, this will be the
last hard copy to be sent to you by snail mail. As of the September
issue it will be available on line as this and back issues are already.
At SUBCON 2008 it was made very obvious that every one accept one member
at the meeting had access to a computer and the internet.
For those members who cannot access the
internet at their local library or Internet Café, arrangements can be
made with your Branch Secretary to get a copy. For those who have not
been to our website as listed under the Print Post approval
numbers in the Masthead go to Google and type it in, or search Australia
by typing in ‘Submarines Association’. For those whose skills with
the internet are fairly basic, once on the site press the cursor on any
of the name tags to gain entry to that named site.
As you would have noticed in past issues I
have baulked at adding photos to the stories as they have not printed
well. One of the up sides of having In Depth on the web is posting
photos to illustrate the stories etc.
Like others who wanted to stay in the last
century, technology has caught up to us and I will need to learn a few
tricks to make our newsletter a little more interesting.
I will not miss the placing of address
stickers, folding and stuffing envelops, the sorting of trays of
envelops in post code order or the double counting to make sure
that the paper work is up to Australia Post standards.
Also note there is a change to the email address to
contact the National Secretary it is now
nsecsaa@gmail.com Ed.
PRESIDENT’S REPORT
- FROM THE AMS
This year has seen a “changing of the guard” in many of the Branches and
I would like take this opportunity to thank all those who have been, or
are about to be involved in the affairs of the Branch. Without your
efforts, the Branches and therefore the SAA would not exist.
Special mention to Fred Butcher (who after eight years at the “helm” of
the South Australian Branch has handed the “command” over to Dave
Bryant) to Fred Lawrence (who after a brief stint “inboard” has
again taken over as President of the West Australian Branch) and last
but by no means least Norm Williams (who after being Secretary of the WA
Branch for many years, as well as webmaster of both “Up Periscope and
the SAA website has retired to the relative seclusion of Bauple).
David Sandquest
President Submarines Association Australia
RENEWAL OF ANNUAL SUBSCRIPTIONS
The Association’s 2008/09 financial year
commenced on 1 April 2008, on which date subscription for 114 members
became due for renewal. An early payment and selection of either five
years for $40 or 25 years for $175 options would be appreciated by the
National Treasurer.
The Association now accepts Direct Debit, details are: Bank: ADCU.
Account number is 705414, BSB 802 397. Please ensure your name is
included and use SAA2008 as the reference, thank you.
The absence of reminder note will indicate that your dues for 2008/09
have already been received.
Those members who get “In Depth” electronically will be notified by our
webmaster.
The absence
of reminder note will indicate that your dues for 2008/09 have
already been received. Those members who get “In Depth”
electronically will be notified by our webmaster.
PRESIDENT’S ANNUAL REPORT
2007-2008
“Walk for Kids with Cancer”
To the Wilson Family, the “Crusty Submariners” and their supporters who
have, organized, donated, contributed and walked for “kids with cancer”
your efforts to date have been outstanding.
At last count the donations (and pledges)
had exceeded $50,000 with several days left to increase that amount.
Special thoughts to “Tug” whose passion and planning went into this
project. “Tug” so much wanted to make the walk; he would be immensely
proud of the way the “family” have taken on his project and the success
they have achieved.
For those who attended “Tug’s” funeral and witnessed the passion and
commitment shown by Carol and family would have had no doubts the
“walk’s” success.
My only concern is that, Carol, buoyed by
this success will try and walk from Coolangatta to Perth for next year’s
SUBCON (any volunteers!)
HMAS Platypus
August saw the 40th Anniversary of the Commissioning of
HMAS Platypus and the arrival of HMAS/m Oxley.
Vice Admiral Ian Mac Dougall AC AFSM RAN (Rtd) provided an interesting
insight into the arrival of Oxley and had all in
attendance in “stiches”. We had several other distinguished guests as
well as one or two apologies. (A full report on the event is available).
It is hoped that this “celebration” will
continue each year (at least until a decision is made as to the future
of “Plats”).
ANZAC Day March - Sydney
For those who attended the March in Sydney, to say it was disappointing
would have to be an understatement. A detailed analysis of the Sydney
March has been completed by the Federation of Naval Ship Associations (FNSA)
and a full report provided. In a nutshell, it appears the WWII Army
(ALL veterans in excess of 80 years old) took 1.35 hours to complete,
yet ALL of WWII Navy and Air Force plus Post WWII Navy, Army and Air
Force took 1.20 hours. This review has apparently been passed onto the
RSL for comment
Department of Veterans Affairs (DVA)
The Association has made itself know to the new Repatriation
Commissioner, Brigadier Bill Roffe and through the offices of Max Hardy
have re-raised the subject of the Oberon Submarine Review as well as
several other issues. To Max Hardy and his merry band of “Advocates”
keep up the great work in assisting your “mates”.
AE2
I had the opportunity to attend the pre release of the AE2 story and
would recommend to those who haven’t seen it, obtain a copy from the ABC
Shop and watch it; it is a very well presented documentary. I would also
recommend that you consider providing a copy to your children’s/
grandchildren’s school for inclusion in their Library.
Fleet Base West
In the past twelve months I have managed to mix business with pleasure
and visited the “West” to attend the HMAS Waller
rededication and the “Squadron Ball”. On both occasions I was well
looked after and would like to personally thank Ric Shalders and his
Staff for the efforts.
While there, it was interesting to see the effort taken in rewarding
those who had passed their “Part 3” and qualified as submariners. One US
submariner had apparently qualified as a “Submariner” in three Navies.
Finally,
to JR, Peter Smith, Max, Norm and the National Committee, thank you for
your support and advice throughout the year.
BZ to all. Dave (Sandy) Sandquest
SECRETARY’S
SUBCON REPORT
This year we mustered in Canberra for SUBCON 2008 in what can only be
described as a mild winter’s weekend.
The Friday evening meet and greet function was held at the Australian
War Memorial. The evening started with a service and wreath laying in
the Hall of Memory followed by an hour’s conducted tour of the various
displays, before arriving at the hall comprising of the composite of the
Japanese midget submarines that attacked Sydney Harbour where we
congregated underneath for the cocktail party.
On Saturday, while those members and partners not connected to the
National Committee meeting toured the various museums and galleries that
make up the National Capital. Meanwhile the committee debated the
various items on the agenda, one of which was the costs involved in
printing and posting the newsletter “In Depth”. Our Treasurer informed
the meeting that unfortunately our sponsor Raytheon Australia has
decided that they do not wish to continue with their sponsorship. The
Committee realise how important the newsletter is in informing the
members of Branch activities that the decision would be taken to the AGM
for further debate. One item that was raised by the Queensland Branch
was voted against and that was the change to the Association crest and
there were items also raised concerning the fine tuning of our
Constitution and Rules.
The dinner/dance was held on Saturday evening in the ballroom at the
Rydges Lakeside Hotel. Guest speaker was Commodore Rick Shalders CSC
RAN. Many raffle prizes were donated by the providores of Pusser’s Rum;
the proceeds of the raffle were donated to the Walk for Kids with
Cancer.
On Sunday, at the beginning of the AGM the President requested the
suspension of standing orders to allow the membership to officially
ratify the Life Membership awarded to Queensland member Robert “Tug”
Wilson who had past away weeks before the meeting, Tug’s wife Carol was
called to step forward and the presentation of the badge was made which
was greeted with acclamation. On resumption of standing orders many
items were raised and debated, including the registration of the
Association, absentee voting, the current position on the future of the
Platypus site,
A new position has been created, that of the Association Historian, who
will report to the National Executive at the Committee Meetings, but
will have no vote. Any member who wishes to take up this position is to
report to the National Secretary prior to next year’s SUBCON for
consideration by the Committee.
This year the National Executive were re-voted in, as there were no
other nominations, your executives are President David Sandquest, Vice
President Max Hardy, Treasurer John Rana, there were two nominations
for secretary and your incumbent Secretary Peter Smith was re-elected.
As already mentioned there has been a major change to the newsletter “In
Depth”, it was voted after intense debate that this will be the last
issue of the newsletter in hard copy, as of the September issue the
newsletter will only be obtainable on line and from Branch Secretaries.
The members were informed of where the future SUBCONs will be held. 2009
will be held in Fremantle, Western Australia. 2010 will be hosted by the
NSW Branch in Coffs Harbour. 2011 will be held in Melbourne in
conjunction with the Centenary of the Royal Australian Navy. 2012 will
be hosted by the Tasmanian Branch. 2013 will be hosted by the North
Queensland Branch in Townsville. 2014 will be hosted by the Western
Australian Branch in conjunction with the Centenary of the Australian
Submarine Squadron. 2015 will be hosted by the ACT Branch with the
Centenary of the Gallipoli ANZAC and 2016 will be hosted by the
Queensland Branch.
After the meeting the members and their partners boarded buses for a
buffet lunch at Gundaroo in the quaint “Royal Hotel”, here we were
entertained by a band and enjoyed a roast meal. It was a happy and
contented group as we returned to Canberra that evening.
The SUBCON weekend ended on Monday with a buffet lunch and farewell
drinks at the Canberra Services Club, Manuka.
On behalf of the National Executive and
members I wish to thank the ACT President Andy Galley and his very able
team for hosting a very enjoyable weekend. BZ to all involved.
NATIONAL
PENSIONS & WELFARE COORDINATOR BULLETIN
MAX HARDY 02 92648188
- Please check your records and note my correct email options
mhardy@rslnsw.com.au or
maxhardy@bigpond.com and change of address as from 01 March 2008 -
25 Christie St, South Penrith NSW 2750.
WHAT IS A SOP
The Decision Support Unit of the Department of Veteran Affairs issue
Bulletins which Revoke and Replace Statement of principles (SOPs) as
directed by the Repatriation Medical Authority. SOPs are the instruments
that identify factors that must exist for an injury or disease to be
linked to service. The SOP for Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) has
been revoked and replaced by SOP 5 and 6 of 2008 which has amended a
Severe Stressor to a “Category 1A stressor” or a “Category 1B stressor”,
it also includes “a significant other” I will deal with these amendments
one at a time. It is important to remember, anyone who has had a claim
for PTSD rejected under the old SOP may find their claim can now be
accepted under the new SOP. If your rejected claim is less than 12
months old appeal against the decision, if your claim is over 12 months
old lodge another claim. The following is a definition of the stressors;
“Category 1A stressor” means one or more of the following severe
traumatic events:
(a) experiencing a life threatening event
(b) being subject to serious physical attack or assault including rape
and sexual molestation; or
(c) being threatened with a weapon, being held captive, being kidnapped,
or being tortured.
“Category 1B stressor” means one of the following severe
traumatic events
(a) being an eye witness to person being killed or critically injured
(b) viewing corpses or critically injured casualties as an eyewitness
(c) being an eyewitness to atrocities inflicted on another person or
persons
(d) killing or maiming a person
(e) being an eyewitness to or participating in, the clearance of
critically injures casualties
“a significant other” means a person who has a close family bond or a
close personal relationship and is important or influential in one’s
life;
“an eyewitness” means a person who observes an incident first hand and
can give direct evidence of it. This excludes a person exposed only to
media coverage of the incident.
To have liability accepted for injury or disease during service, the
onus is on the individual to establish facts that satisfy all the
elements of any one factor within a Statement of principle. The absence
of medical records and or injury reports makes the link to service all
that more difficult to satisfy. The standard of proof (as opposed to the
burden of proof in legal terms) is beyond reasonable doubt. That is to
say if what you claim is reasonable and the evidence satisfies a factor
within the SOP, liability will be accepted.
Department of veteran Affairs employees are mostly civilian and do not
have a military background, therefore the use of naval jargon or
acronyms in personal or witness statements, or in the body of a claim
form, does not help your claim.
The Tank is a vehicle that moves around on tracks with a gun, it had
nothing to do with submarine escape, if you are a civilian. If you get
my point!
Pension Officers will be aware claim forms for compensation under any of
the available Acts require service details, part of which asks, Unit or
Branch of Service. This is where you should identify you are a
submariner. Unit Navy - Branch Submariner. As Kevin said many
times civilians do not know HMAS Oxley was a submarine, it
could have been an establishment for all they know. Likewise they do not
know anything about conditions or life in a submarine. They do not
know what a strong back is, probably someone with broad shoulders,
torpedo loading rails means nothing, a battery dip sounds like a swim,
and snorting both sides is just rude. It is up to us to explain in
simple terms the circumstances and conditions of service that links our
claimed condition to our submarine Service. In conclusion, remember most
of the conditions or diseases we wish to claim as service related are
already established, it’s the causal link we need to identify.
Call me anytime
Max Hardy 02 92648188 Ex 338
For assistance with
‘Health & Welfare’ matters contact an authorised Pension/
Welfare Officer
Correspondence
ERRATUM:
An unfortunate error was made by me while typing in Dick Mason’s letter
into the last issue of “In Depth”. I apologise to Dick for any
embarrassment it may have caused him and I should have known better
that he would not have used a word in such a fashion; however, I
will let Dick have the last word on this. (Ed).
Dear Peter,
There is a delightful misprint in the
latest “In Depth.” The middle paragraph of my letter to you should
read:-
“The message would seem to be, watch your
diet and exercise outside the bedroom.”
Please publish a correction and apologies
for my poor handwriting.
Sincerely,
Dick Mason.
In a letter detailing Mike Shreeve’s
change of address, he ended with the statement; “Remember,
submarines, are the only profession where you start at the top and
work your way down.
Editor’s comment: Good one Mike, but
I think the pit miners may want to claim your statement as well!
Gentlemen of the Fourth
G’day lads I’m back! It has been a
while since I put pen to paper. A lot has happened since I last
wrote with two dead – very sad.
Mike put his life and soul into the
Association. I only hope that his works are not in vain. It’s now up
to us to keep it rolling on. We of the Starboard Watch try to keep
all the lads informed as best we can. But, the Starboard watch
Committee Members can only do so much. We are always open to
suggestions and criticism – they are constructive!
Now to my old boat mate Buck. A lot has
been credited to his legend, some true – some ‘if only’. A lot of
people could not stand him – their loss! A better mate you could not
have. If he could, he would give his right arm (after he pinched it
of a Subby!) The starboard Watch paid for Anchor Wreath of roses
with a card from the Fourth. My old boat mate Soapy Soar (ex Killick
Stoker, Tapir) did the honours in the UK. He sent me a
whole stack of photos, plus the blue ribbon attached to the anchor.
I have passed all these pictures and ribbon onto Buck’s TWIN sister
here in Australia. My fellow Committee man Tom MacCammont found her
address from the WRENs on ANZAC Day and took it along to her at
Wyong I think.
Tom’s wife has at last gone into Palliative
Care, also at Wyong. It must be with mixed feelings for Tom – being
married 52 years and looking after her for about 5 years – done
everything for her. Tom continues to make her life happy as could
be. Tom – you’re a Hero!
To other things…
October 2008 Long Weekend – Penguin.
A get together at the old base has been called for. It will be a
sausage sizzle and one of my curried sausage camp oven concoction.
It has been decided not to supply drinks. The Memorial Job was
supplied with beer from VB- AT NO COST I managed to pull off
a ‘Pat Cullum’ on Carlton United and they gave me 45 cartons of VB
and Resch’s bitter for nix.
We will be supplying the tot plus some red
and white wine for the ladies. To keep the costs down members will
have to supply their own beer. I must have numbers, so ring Tom
MacCammont 024 3847643, Tony Maddock 029 4519629 or myself at home
on 026 79935294. Don’t leave it to the last minute
K 13 will be held next January/February
2009 – date to be advised.
That’s all folks. Standby by for gun
action! Man the tower, 90 feet, vent Q inboard!
Pat Cullum, Killick Stoker.
The following letter dated, 13 June 2008
was from the Chief of Navy, Vice Admiral R.E Shalders AO CSC RAN to
the National President.
Dear Sir,
I am writing to advise you that Rear
Admiral R.H. Crane AM CSM RAN is to be promoted to Vice Admiral on 3
July 2008 to assume command of the Royal Australian Navy. I will be
retiring as the Chief of Navy on 3 July.
In close to 42 years in the Service, I have
seen a multitude of changes and the Navy I have had the privilege to
command for the last three years is very different to the one which
I joined. My period as CN has been busy and stimulating, with our
operational tempo continuing at an unprecedented rate in modern
times. Throughout this period, as they have always done, the men and
women of the Royal Australian Navy have continued to acquit
themselves with pride and honour, displaying the outstanding values
and characteristics that reflect our great heritage. The next
generation of Australian Sailors stand to inherit a strong Navy, and
it is with great pride that I pass the helm to them and their
successors.
Please accept my most sincere thanks and
appreciation to you and everyone of the Submarines Association
Australia for your support during my time as chief, and for your
continuing contributions to the Royal Australian Navy in the future.
Yours sincerely,
Russ Shalders,

ACT & SR BRANCH
Secretary Geoff BURNS JP 02 48494330 0427 435 314
gcburns@clearmail.com.au
SUBCON 08 was a great success and
congratulations must go to the small band of intrepid workers that
made it possible, BZ to all. Thank you to all members and their
partners who attended and made the weekend such a great success, we
hope you all enjoyed yourselves.
The SAA ACT Inc AGM will be held on Sunday,
17 August 2008 at the Canberra Services Club, Manuka commencing at
1100, this will be followed by a BBQ and social gathering. All
nominations for office and Notices of Motion must be in the hands of
the Secretary by Monday, 14 July 2008.
General Meetings will be held at the same
venue in October and December; all financial members are welcome to
attend.
SUBCON 2008 photo album available at
http://www.subcon2008.org/Photo.html. Select image below
for larger size.
NEW SOUTH WALES
BRANCH
Secretary Ken WILLIAMS H 02-80042304 M 0400500604 email
kenbwilliams@hotmail.com
No Branch news was made available prior to going to print However,
the AGM to be held earlier in July has been cancelled and now will
be held on 27 July
2008, 1130 at City of Sydney RSL 565 George St. Contact Ken Williams
for details.
The following
is a timetable for upcoming NSW Branch events, please update your
calendars.
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NSW AGM
1130 27 July 2008 City of Sydney RSL, 565 George Street,
SYDNEY
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Meeting
1130 14 September 2008 A general meeting with a proposal
to try and have it at the Platypus site with a BBQ and small
memorial service.
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Meeting
1130 2 November 2008 City of Sydney RSL, 565 George
Street, SYDNEY
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Christmas party TO BE DECIDED
Sunday 1230
for 1300 30 November or Saturday 29 November 2008
1700 for 1730 at Where Ever

NORTH QUEENSLAND
BRANCH
Secretary Garth SCHMIDT 07 47 880 884 Mobile 0417 747 246 email
susanschmidt@optusnet.com.au
The North Queensland Branch held its AGM
over the weekend of 20-22 June on Magnetic Island. The meeting was
well attended and after president Mal Bridge declared all positions
vacant, he was immediately voted back in for another year unopposed.
Both Garth Schmidt and Craig Cope were
returned as Secretary and Treasurer respectively and Cole Klease was
voted in as Vice-president. The rest of the committee comprised of
John Morris, Kev Marengo and Danny Carroll. Congratulations to all
off ice bearers.
President Mal gave a very informative talk
on proceeding at the last National AGM and advised that the North
Queensland SUBCON is earmarked for 2013.
The next meeting of the NQSAA was voted to
held in Emerald over the weekend of 7, 8 & 9th November
2008.
After the meeting, all members attended the
Stage Door Theatre Restaurant on Maggie Island and had a hilarious
night watching a show called the Frocky Horror Show.
Other highlights from the North was a barbeque at the residence of
Julie, daughter of Dave Luck, where many of us caught up with Dave
and had a great time. We look forward to Dave’s next sojourn.

QUEENSLAND BRANCH
Secretary Rob H. WOOLRYCH MBE H 07-54421991 email
robjanw@launch.net.au
The first thing to remind you all the next meeting of SAA Qld Inc
will be held as follows:
Where, Coorparoo RSL. Venue, Galaxy Room. When, 1100 - 3rd August
2008. This Meeting will be our A.G.M. so I ask as many of you
as possible to come and have your say. Also to all those of you who
are non-supporters of SAA Qld Inc but whom we diligently include in
our correspondence when it is sent out, I ask you to come to this
gathering and support us and join the Association.
COME TO THE AGM ON 3/8/2008 PAY A LITTLE BIT OF MONEY TO AT LEAST
BECOME A REAL FRIEND OF THE SAA
MEETING 11/12 OCT AT STANTHORPE
The schedule below is that from FLIPPO’s Tours for the Saturday of
the visit. The Committee decided that the Wine Tour will probably be
sufficient for the day so we abandoned the idea of a formal dinner
in the evening.
Itinerary- Saturday Oct 11th
Pick-up from Motels 9.30am. Tour finishes circa 1700. Cost of above
tour $70 p/p with lunch at the Pub included (Self serve BBQ).
The meeting is scheduled to be held in the Stanthorpe RSL Club on
the 1000 Sunday and after a quick social moment at Lunch you are
then free to proceed home.
One reason for going to Stanthorpe was of course the Food & Wine but
an equally important reason was to include the Northern Rivers
people of NSW so all of you please come and join us and make it a
fun SAA weekend.
LET ME KNOW ASAP
if you are interested and I will get details of available
Accommodation to you ASAP.
IN CONCLUSION
Next Meeting 3 August 2008 at the Coorparoo RSL timed to start at
1100

SOUTH AUSTRALIAN BRANCH
Secretary
Allen (Connie) Francis email
Allen.Francis@asc.com.au
At the Branch AGM, David Bryant was elected as President, his
position as Secretary was taken over by Allen (Connie) Francis . At
the time of going to print I had not received a Branch report. I am
sure that David and Connie will keep you up to date with Branch
functions. Ed

TASMANIAN BRANCH
Secretary David BYRNE H. 03/6233588 Email:
dbyrne@exemail.com.au
Quite a number of members gathered for the
weekend away at the Grindelwald Resort in the Tamar Valley over the
weekend of 17-18 May. Well over half of the membership plus partners
turned out for a great weekend. Following an excellent meal at the
resorts restaurant a few of the more hardy members retired to the
bar for a few cleansing after dinner ales.
Most of the members took up the offer to
spend a few hours on the Sunday morning cruising the Tamer River
estuary in Richard Phillips’ yacht. The 75’ ketch was an excellent
platform from which to view the mouth of the river and the weather
was sunny if a little cool. Our sincere thanks go to Richard and his
father, Ray, for their hospitality and generosity.
It was fantastic to see our newest members
Tony Vine (and Cathie), Peter Reid (and Rosmhuire) and Iain Burns
join us at Grindelwald and we hope for many more great times
together. We would also like to welcome Steve Taylor as a new
member. Steve is currently on full time service as a Reservist at
Navy Headquarters Tasmania.
This year marks the 10th
anniversary of the founding of the Submarines Association’s newest
branch on 9 August 1998 at Ross in Tasmania’s midlands. We will
celebrate this auspicious occasion over the weekend of 16-17 August
in Hobart. So, if you are reading this and have been a member of the
Tasmanian Branch at any stage over the past ten years we would love
to hear from you and, even better, see you again if you can make it
along that weekend.
At this stage plans are still being
finalised, but there will likely be a dinner on the Saturday night
with the AGM on the Sunday forenoon followed by a lunch. Once plans
are finalised they will be posted on the “Up Periscope” web site. If
access to the Internet eludes you please feel free to contact the
Secretary on the numbers above.
For those wired in to the web please note the change in the email
address

VICTORIAN BRANCH
Secretary Keith ‘Boot’ HATFIELD M 0408 051 085 email
kshatfield@bigpond.com
At the time of going to press I had not
received a report from Branch; however I was able to glean the
following information (Ed).
July 20
Business Meeting ESU Committee meet 100
August 17
VP Day –ESU
September 21
Social meeting at ESU Noon onwards BBQ
October 19 Navy
Week. No promulgated meetings
November 16
Business meeting ESU. Committee meet at 1100
December 21
Christmas Dinner ESU from noon on.

WESTERN AUSTRALIA
BRANCH
Secretary Paul MEAKIN H 08 95869375 M 0412314361
Email:
pmea8855@%20bigpond.net.au
The Swan Yacht Club in East
Fremantle will be the venue for the WA Branch AGM starting at 1000
in Sunday, 20 July. Lunch will be served on completion at the
glorious riverside location. Nominations for office and Notices for
Motion should be with the Secretary Paul Meakin by 11 July. All
present Executive Office Bearers are nominating for office again.
Some twenty Sand gropers, including
partners and dependants, attended the SUBCON in Canberra, who all
enjoyed the hospitality of the ACT Branch as well as the bracing air
temperatures. Planning is now about to start in real earnest for
next year’s Reunion in Fremantle. The aim is to retain the hallmark
events of our re-unions but to try to be innovative and to maintain
downward pressure on the costs to attendees. One of the best bits of
advice we can give however is to book your airfares nice and early
to take advantage of the discounts that can be low as one-third the
full airfare. Also remember that WA is a big state with lots of
other attractions apart for Perth and Fremantle. Broom is a fine
place to extend your stay in WA as is Margaret River for the
gastronomes amongst us.
The Membership was advised by Sid
Czabotar at the AGM that the Branch will be hosting SUBCON 09 over
the weekend of 5-9 June with the following venues in Fremantle. The
meet and Greet will be held at the Western Australia Maritime Museum
on Friday evening. Both the National Committee and Annual General
Meetings will be held in Navy Club. The dinner/dance will be held in
the Esplanade Hotel. At present it is proposed that a boat tour of
the Swan River will be organised after the AGM on Sunday. On Monday
a bus tour of the Submarine School at HMAS Stirling with the tour
ending at the Navy Club at Rockingham.
An Executive Meeting was held at
the ANZAC Club in Perth on 25 June 2008 with the following
Agenda:
1. Debrief from the SAA AGM held in ACT. The
process and conduct for the AGM needs to be supervised. Branches
need to obtain copies of the National Committee Meeting as well as
the AGM in order to prepare for the implementation of the new voting
process.
2. Debrief of Social Aspects of the AGM in
ACT. The need to constrain costs in the future was a major focus of
this topic. Next meeting of the WA 2009 SUBCON Committee was held at
the Rockingham Naval Club on 7 July.
3. Items for our AGM on 20 July Swan Yacht
Club. Draught Agenda has been circulated to members. Closing date of
Notice of Motions 11 July On Completion of the AGM it is intended to
present the Commodore of the Yacht Club with a set of Large Dolphins
in appreciation of the Club’s support to the SAA WA Branch.
4. Official recognition of two members by
Certificates of Appreciation to be awarded at the AGM.
5. Our next Social Event. Lunch after the
AGM, please book on 93393520
6. Car Rego Plates. As only three members
have so far expressed any interest it was decided to drop the item.
Any response from the Squadron from members. The Treasurer and
President reported that as yet there had been no new members from
the Squadron despite the promo in “The Trade”.
The following is our events calendar. Further details will be passed
on as they become available or clearer.
Sunday, 14 Sep TBA General
meeting
Sunday, 19 Oct TBA Navy Week
Sunday, 26 Oct TBA Periscope
Park RN SubVets
Sunday, 9 Nov 1030 HMAS Ovens
Remembrance Day
Sat, 29 Nov TBA Pt Peron Navy
Club Christmas Party
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Thales Underwater Systems and to the Thales team for their
support, and to all those that continue to visit the site.
Remember, constructive criticism, suggestions for
improvement and even complaints are always welcome.
Remember, it is YOUR site and it is only as good as you make
it. Thanks again for your support.
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TAKE COVER
Have you got the necessary protection for your assets?
The following information was supplied by the Military
Police Association of Australia to make former and serving
military personnel aware of the significant value of their
honours and awards. Not only do they have high sentimental value to the
recipient and their families etc, they have in most
instances great value to boot.
Therefore some serious consideration should be given to
the fact that they are a substantial asset within the
household when considering house and contents insurance. The inclusion of medals as a SPECIAL ITEM is most often
overlooked
Below is a brief list of the more common medals awarded
to Australian Service Men and Women and their current value.
Food for thought and you can quickly do the sums.

Top end value relates to a medal in its original box
untouched and unmounted. Bottom end value relates to a medal in very poor
condition with no ribbon or mounting.
The author of this information states that 90% of the
medals that pass through his hands ARE at the top end of
this scale. Some groups of the medals depending on the
uniqueness can be valued higher again.
The following list is the “Name of the Medal”, Bottom End
Value and Top End Value.
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AASM 45-75 |
$243.00 - $365.00 |
INTERFET
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$1220.00 - $1950.00 |
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Vietnam Campaign |
$365.00 - $730.00 |
Afghanistan Campaign
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$1220.00 - $1700.00 |
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Vietnam Logistics |
$490.00 $500.00 |
Iraq Campaign |
$1220.00 - $1700.00 |
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AASM 75 - (depending on clasp) |
$490.00 - $3700.00 |
ASM 75 - (depending on clasp) |
$490.00 - $3700.00 |
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DFSM + $25 per clasp |
$243.00 - $490.00 |
DSLM + $25 per clasp |
$490.00 - $730.00 |
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National Medal |
$365.00 - $400.00 |
ADM |
$234.00 |
RUSSIA ACCEPTS RIMPAC 08 INVITATION
Russia has accepted an invitation to participate in this year’s
Rim of the Pacific naval exercises ADML Robert Willard USN,
commander of the US Pacific Fleeted, stated at the 7th
annual Hawaii-US Military Partnership Conference on 3
January 2008.
“Whether that will continue to hold,
given the political dynamic association with Russian
military and ours and our various administrations will
remain to be seen,” Willard Said, “but they showed up at the
mid-planning conference (in November 07) with an expectation
to actually participate this year. That is great progress.”
RIMPAC is a biennial, multinational
exercise held in Hawaiian waters. Russia was invited to
observe the 2004 and 2006 RIMPAC exercises but did not send
observers. “Russia is a member of the Western
Pacific Naval Symposium, and Russian participation in RIMPAC
would further US Maritime Strategy objectives of the
developing collaborative partnerships and strengthening
collective security,” Pacific Fleet spokesman Mark Matsunaga
said.
“Working together with partners in the
Pacific builds confidence and trust to allow the partners to
focus on common threats, combat trans-national crime,
strengthen maritime security and achieve mutual interests,” Matsunaga said
China has not been invited to
participate or observe RIMPAC 08. The US National Defence
Authorisation Act of 2000 precludes direct
military-to-military contacts with China, except for
search-and-rescue and humanitarian assistance operations.
A small Chinese contingent did observe RIMPAC in 1998, before that law was passed. In 2006, a waiver to the restrictions
allowed a Chinese team to observe a portion of the Valiant
Shield exercise off Guam. However, there are no plans to
invite China as a participant or observer for RIMPAC 2008.
From “The Navy”- The Magazine of the
Navy League of Australia, Volume 70 No2, April-June 2008.
Editor’s Comment:
Well, finally the Russians have been
formally invited to participate in RIMPAC exercises!
In 1971, HMAS Onslow was
one of five RAN platforms, which included the aircraft
carrier HMAS Melbourne and destroyers
Hobart, Torrens and Yarra to sail to
Hawaii to participate in the very first RIMPAC.
At this time I was undertaking my ‘Part
Three’ and I was learning the rudiments of the sonar sets in
the sound lounge; my Sea Daddy at the time was Killick UC
Jock Copeland. During the ‘first watch’ Jock had me sit at
one of the sets (now forgotten which one) and listen for
unusual marine sounds/noises, he had plugged into the set
and described what I was listening to and what I had to
ignore, they being the usual
fish sounds etc, my job was to listen up and down the
frequency and report anything unusual to him. I had been
doing this for a while during our watch, when all of a
sudden a loud thrashing noise assaulted my ears, I called
Jock over, and he plugged in and listened, then reported to
the CO, LCDR Paddy Ryan RN that we had picked up a nuclear
submarine contact in fairly close quarters. On giving the
coordinates our CO brought the boat to periscope depth and
began to scan the surface for our noise source. In the
distance the CO spotted a large fishing trawler and decided
that this was the source of our noise.
Well, with that, we were disappointed that our discovery
was relegated to a surface ship and thought nothing more of
the noise source. That was until the following day when we
surfaced and took onboard various UC ranks from a New
Zealand destroyer who had come to look over a working
submarine. Jock, who was on watch with me in tow, was
delegated to give the Kiwis a tour through the boat, we had
started our tour in the fore-ends and by the time we got to
outside the galley one of the UCs stated, “Did you pick up
that Russian submarine last night.” Jock surprised, said
“Come with me” and took the group straight to the CO’s cabin
and after knocking and receiving an answer, Jock told the UC
to repeat what he had said to him to our CO. After listening
to the UC, our CO stated, “Oh well, too bad now.” Jock
replied, “No it is not, I recorded the noise source.” On the
boat’s return to Pearl Harbour, Jock went ashore and had the
USN analyse the tape, we were informed that it was
definitely a Russian nuclear submarine. So it appears that
the Russian Navy have probably attended every RIMPAC
exercise unofficially since day one. Ed.
SUBMARINE ACCIDENTS AND ESCAPES
The following is a lecture given circa 1955/6, I suspect
it was written and given by Captain George Hunt. It was
found in the Michael White research material kept in the
Submarine Collection on Spectacle Island.
This lecture deals with the ‘S’, ‘T’, ‘A’ class,
Excalibur and Explorer submarines that were in commission at
the time. Some of the changes to assist submarine escape
mentioned at the end of the lecture would be incorporated in
the ‘P’ class being built at the time; of course,
submariners who served in the next class, the Oberons, would
recognise the escape systems then being planned.
If any member who was an escape coxswain would like to
finish the history of escape from where this story ends to
the present day to refect the changes of the passed 50
years, I will be happy to publish your work.
Some sections of this lecture have been updated to
reflect the difference of fifty odd years. Ed.
“The first British submarine accident occurred just over
104 years ago in March 1904 when A.1 was
rammed while submerged by the SS Berwick Castle
off the Nab and sank with the loss of all hands. Between
this date and the beginning of the First World War a further
five accidents occurred. Two of these accidents were caused
by submarines being run down by a ship while submerged; two
collided with ships while on the surface and were holed and
sank, and two were what might be called submarine accidents
in which some failure of the men or material let in the sea.
All subsequent submarine accidents have also been
attributable to one of these three causes. In all six of
these pre-World War 1 accidents practically the whole crew
were drowned instantly, the only survivors being those who
floated off before the submarine sank.
“Salvage was practicable with such small vessels and
indeed four out of six submarines were salved in periods
varying 4 days to five weeks. After the loss of A.1,
therefore, the official escape policy was to try and salvage
the submarine and save the crew. In no case was anybody
saved by salvage, and, indeed the chance of saving anyone
was remote, as the submarines had no bulkheads and were
generally flooded throughout as soon as the accident
occurred. The most important contributions to submarine
safety lay in the material and other lessons learnt which
made accidents in the future less likely. For instance after
A.1, a lower hatch was fitted at the bottom of
the conning tower. In a subsequent similar collision in
which A.9 was involved, the submarine was
undoubtedly saved by this modification, this lesson has not
been lost sight of and all present day submarines have a
lower conning tower hatch and whenever any valve or service
passes through the hull, its integrity is always ensued by a
valve. A no less important contribution to submarine safety
was the knowledge that the only hope of survival was not to
have an accident. The submarine service thus built up its
reputation for meticulous care in everything to do with the
operation of the submarine and for the methodical checking
and maintenance of all equipment. Such a tradition is likely
to save far more lives than any number of interlocks and
escape equipment.
“In 1912 or thereabouts, the first practical steps to
save life after a submarine disaster was taken in the
design of the ‘E’ Class. Her bulkheads were fitted for the
first time to divide the submarine into several watertight
compartments. After an accident only one compartment was
expected to be flooded and it was hoped that some survivors
would still be alive in the un-flooded compartments. There
would be some point in attempting to salvage them to save
them. Two years later, in 1914, the first ideas that it
might be possible for survivors to make an escape from a
submarine as apposed to the submarine being salved to save
them took the practical form in the issue of the Hall Rees
apparatus. This was bulky self-contained breathing set, with
a helmet the size of a diver’s suit. Only one was carried in
each submarine and it was to be used to escape from the
conning tower. This apparatus was landed after two years as
being too cumbersome and complicated and dangerous to use.
It is of interest however as it was the ancestor of the
Davis Submarine Escape Apparatus.
“Bulkheads saved the first man in August, 1916, when
E.4 and E.41 collided during
exercises and both sunk. In E.41 most of the
crew escaped up the conning tower before she sank but a
Stoker Petty Officer Brown was trapped in the engine room.
He had no escape gear and his main problem was to get the
hatch open and hope to float to the surface. It is not
perhaps generally appreciated that even at the shallow depth
of 30 feet (9.14 metres) at which E.41 lay,
the sea pressure exerts a force of some seven tons on a
hatch holding it tight shut. There is never the remotest
possibility of opening it by brute strength. The only way is
to let the sea into the compartment and flood it up so that
the pressure is the same on both sides of the hatch. It can
then be opened quiet easily. Stoker Petty Officer Brown did
this and succeeded in opening the hatch. Every time he did
so however, a bubble of air went out, the pressure in the
compartment propped and the hatch slammed down again, on one
occasion on his hand. He then had to flood up again to
balance the pressure. After the third try the compartment
was completely flooded but the hatch stayed open and then
taking a deep breath, he floated to the surface. This was
the first escape in the Royal Navy from a submerged
submarine. It was only from 30 feet (9.14 metres) or so but
nevertheless was a landmark.
“Five months later K.13, on trials in the
Gareloch, dived with an engine induction valve open. 29 men
in the after part of the submarine were drowned at once, but
48 in the forward compartments were saved by the bulkheads.
Two men in the after compartments who attempted to emulate
Stoker PO Brown were drowned. Two officers attempted to
reach the surface through the conning tower to summon help,
one was drowned but the other succeeded in getting the hatch
open and ascending in a bubble of air. In the sheltered
waters of the Gareloch in a depth of only 38 feet (11.58
metres) divers were able to connect an air supply through an
ammunition hoist to keep the survivors alive. The whole
recourses of the Clyde were then applied to salvage and
after two days, one end of K.13 was raised to
the surface and 46 men were rescued.
“Salvage as a method of submarine rescue therefore gained
immensely in prestige, and after the war it remained the
primary method of rescuing survivors from a submarine
accidents. In none of these four accidents was salvage
effective, in two cases because the water was far too deep
for salvage even to be attempted and in others because the
whole crew were drowned at once after a collision. In any
case, all four submarines were sunk in water deep enough to
collapse the bulkheads. In these four accidents from which
there was not a single survivor, collision while submerged
was responsible for three of them (H.42, L.24,
M.1) and the fourth was a submarine accident (K.5).
“Although the salvage policy was singularly ineffective
in saving anyone, it is true to say that it is unlikely that
there would have been any survivors even if Davis Submarine
Escape Apparatus had been fitted. However, after the
M.1 disaster in 1925, much attention was given to
methods of individual escape as an alternative to salvage.
The US of A had already produced the Momsen Lung for this
purpose and the Germans had had Daeger gear as early as
World War 1. There was always the possibility of reviving
the old Hall Rees gear.
“At the time efforts were redoubled to try and make
salvage effective and, taking a lesson from K.13,
it was directed to raising one end of the submarine and
provide air connections to keep the crew alive while this
was being done. All ideas of salvage in water deeper than 20
fathoms at which the bulkheads would go were given up.
“In 1929 trials were carried out with various types of
breathing apparatus and the Davis Submarine Escape
Apparatus (DSEA) was adjudged to be far superior to the
other competitors and so it was decided to adopt it and
issue it to submarines. Trials to find the best way to open
the submarine hatch in order to escape were also instituted.
In 1930 the installation of the DSEA on the scale of one per
man to all submarines was begun.
“In the interim period three more accidents occurred,
H.47, Poseidon and M.2. Two
collisions on the surface and one submarine accident. Two of
these accidents had a very decided influence on escape
policy.
“Poseidon collided while on the surface
with the Chinese steamer Yuta on 9 June 1931
and sank in about 20 fathoms. 27 men escaped by the conning
tower before she sank, but twenty-six were trapped in the
submarine. Eight of these in the fore ends were saved by the
bulkheads, but 18 in the after ends were drowned. “Poseidon was however the first submarine
accident in which men escaped using DSEA and it was
concluded that it was perfectly efficient if used correctly.
The need for better training was obvious and DSEA training
tanks were ordered to be built at Malta and Hong Kong as
well as that existing at Fort Blockhouse. To reduce the
chance of ‘bends’ it was necessary to make provision to
flood up more rapidly so that the men would be under
pressure in the submarine for a shorter time before
escaping. Special valves were therefore fitted to
submarines. It was clear that the arrangements for opening
the hatch were most unsatisfactory and it was decided to fit
twill trunks and special escape hatches. The twill trunk has
the effect of making it possible to equalize the pressure
and open the hatch without a large bubble going out, letting
it slam down again. Men can stand with their heads in air
while awaiting to escape and can then dip under the twill
trunk and escape through the hatch. As one man in the fore
ends of Poseidon had no DSEAA set, the scale
of issue was increased to one and 1/3 times the crew
dispersed throughout the submarine.
“M.2 sunk while carrying out submerged
exercises in West Bay. The exact cause of the loss is
unknown but she was equipped to carry a small sea-plane and
it is believed to have flooded through the hanger door.
M.2 was fitted with DSEA but no escapes were
made. The submarine was not found for some days. Obviously
it is essential to be able to find a lost submarine as
quickly as possible and so indicator buoys, one at each end,
were fitted to all submarines. These buoys could be released
by the crew to mark the submarines position. Salvage
operations were put in hand on M.2 mainly with
the object of finding out what had gone wrong. After ten
months of hard work the stern was raised above the surface.
It slipped backed at once and salvage was then abandoned.
“It was therefore abundantly clear from the lessons of
M.2 that salvage for the purpose of saving
lives was hopeless and the Poseidon accident
showed that individual escape by DSEA gave a better chance.
In 1932/33 the whole business of submarine escape was most
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